John,
You raise very good questions which I would summarize as: 'what is "real" innovation?' Different people have different ideas. As others point out some great HP products like Calculators, LaserJets, HP 3000, along with non-HP products like iPod or iPhone all were unique implementations of 99% existing technology. So who gets credit for 'the invention' IS often down to packaging and marketing.
Just a couple of weeks ago I had a chance to go to a poster fair of HP Labs research products. There were some really cool things like a no-glasses 3-d display and a method to determine co-location of devices without GPS or WiFi location information or any communication between the two devices (I'll leave you to ponder that*).
At the same time there were lots of other stuff which looked vaguely familiar to someone who's been in commercial computing for a while -- ways to handling the change in the amount of data (tera, exa, penta byte data sets), structure unstructured data, reduce impact of the mis-match between CPU->Memory->secondary storage. What about a system with memristor memory which could be permanent and as fast as your CPU, how can you scale with 1000s of CPUs, where are the next bottle necks coming, what kind of file system do you need (no-caching, pre-fetch or other tricks needed)???
At the poster board level it is sometimes hard to see the meat to judge what exactly is new there but given the number of PhD's and 'patent' granted/pending references I trust that there is something which is pushing boundaries at some level.
Similarly unless you've actually evaluated the Sun/IBM/HP non-x86 compacted blade solutions it may be hard to see from marketing materials exactly what is unique -- that is more a problem of marketing, less of innovation.
Respectfully,
Jim
* They use audio from device microphones to establish a pattern of -- background silence -- which is apparently better than the background noise [think two people listing to the same radio station in different locations]. That pattern information would be shared on a server and help you meet-up with people close by. . .
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From: HP-3000 Systems Discussion [mailto:[log in to unmask]] On Behalf Of John Lee
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Subject: Re: [HP3000-L] Maybe this is why HP is down in the dumps
Thanks for the links, Jim. I perused them both, and I learned some things. It appears as though Moonshot is a shrunken blade server. And reducing power consumption and footprint is important...it saves money and resources. But aren't Sun and IBM promoting the same? It was difficult to tell what was innovative, unique or patentable about Moonshot. I'm not being critical, I'm giving a layman's opinion. HP looks the same as everyone else.
Same with the SDN solution...I get product literature from IBM and they make the same claims. Again, I'm not being critical or questionning your product knowledge. I just find it hard to see what differentiates HP. So then does it just become a marketing game? Everyone is selling the same solutions, but who is better at selling? Who's got more contacts in high places? Who is better at retaining customers?
John Lee
At 11:47 AM 06/03/2013, Hawkins, Jim (ESSN TCE&Q) wrote:
>The hURD removed Invent from the logo and slashed
>R&D. Non-the-less HP is still inventing and you don't have to look
>very hard to find lots of stuff which is new and industry leading. . .
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>http://h30507.www3.hp.com/t5/HP-Networking/HP-Networking-SDN-solution-w
>on-the-2013-Innovations-award/ba-p/139503
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>http://h17007.www1.hp.com/us/en/enterprise/servers/products/moonshot/in
>dex.aspx
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>HP Discover is next week in Las Vegas -- my understanding is that
>CNBC will be broadcasting live from the floor. If you want to
>learn what HP is really up to there's a good chance.
>
>Jim
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>I believe the pharmacist or his predecessor removed the Invent from the logo.
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>Denys
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>Impossible. Doesn't the logo still say "HP" / Invent?
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>When was the last time HP introduced something innovative to the tech
>world? I'm not being sarcastic, I'm serious...they stopped innovating.
>Weren't the 1000 and 3000 product lines full of solutions for end users
>back in the day? Where has that gone? Was the LaserJet their last
>patent? Maybe I'm missing some but I don't see it.
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>John Lee
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> >we all have worked with previously. First up is linkedin. So I go
> >to the webpage, find that he's working for Red Hat, but also notice
> >the "people also viewed" column on the far right. Lots of names from
> >the past
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> >Mike Paivinen
> >Scott McClellan
> >Becky McBride
> >Craig Fairchild
> >Steve Macsisak
> >Stephen Watt
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> >Of that group, including Jeff, only 2 are at HP (Becky and Craig),
> >the company they might have thought they'd be employed for life
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