So that question got answered...
Perhaps the better question is what to put on a slt? Some people (hi paul
:-) feel that nothing should go onto an slt other that what sysgen puts
there. Some people (like me) think maybe a bit more ain't such a bad idea
-- like including ';directory'. (people people people -- you have to have
your directory if you have any hopes of successfully recovering your
system!)
I guess as long as you DOCUMENT what's being done and why -- and that
documentation is sitting some place other than your 3000! -- you're probably
going to be ok. (and as long as you're documenting the creation
process...you should go ahead and document how to do the restore too, eh?)
Oh and some people (hi james) say that you want your network stopped when
you're making your slt. - d
---
Donna Hofmeister
Allegro Consultants, Inc.
408-252-2330
> -----Original Message-----
> From: HP-3000 Systems Discussion [mailto:[log in to unmask]] On
> Behalf Of Craig Lalley
> Sent: Monday, May 18, 2009 3:13 PM
> To: [log in to unmask]
> Subject: Re: [HP3000-L] backup hang and devinfo hang
>
> I always thought the SLT tape with store was not very efficient, I
> don't think the compress, maxtapebuf parameters were supported?
>
> -Craig
>
>
> --- On Mon, 5/18/09, donna hofmeister <[log in to unmask]> wrote:
>
> From: donna hofmeister <[log in to unmask]>
> Subject: Re: backup hang and devinfo hang
> To: [log in to unmask]
> Date: Monday, May 18, 2009, 4:55 PM
>
> Imo -- combining a (full) backup onto an slt tape is only viable on
> 'small'
> systems (think 918).
>
> On 'medium' size systems, you might be able to do something like a
> store-to-disk (using whatever archiving product your site uses) as one
> process. Then as a separate process (job), include the std file on
> your
> slt. *if* you are using a 3rd-party archiving too then you'll want to
> take
> care to make sure you include that software on the slt as well!
>
> On 'large' systems -- make a nice simple slt (or minimal) and get your
> backup out to tape/dlt.
>
> - d
>
> ---
> Donna Hofmeister
> Allegro Consultants, Inc.
> 408-252-2330
>
>
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: HP-3000 Systems Discussion [mailto:[log in to unmask]] On
> > Behalf Of Dave Powell, MMfab
> > Sent: Monday, May 18, 2009 2:36 PM
> > To: [log in to unmask]
> > Subject: Re: [HP3000-L] backup hang and devinfo hang
> >
> > :file t = $null
> > :store mysmallfileset; *t;
> > STORE/RESTORE VERSION C.75.09 (C) 1986 HEWLETT-PACKARD CO.
> >
> >
> >
> > ----- Original Message -----
> > From: "Craig Lalley" <[log in to unmask]>
> > To: <[log in to unmask]>
> > Sent: Monday, May 18, 2009 14:00
> > Subject: Re: [HP3000-L] backup hang and devinfo hang
> >
> >
> > Just wondering, did you post your version of STORE?
> >
> > To find it, just store a file (to disk) and look at the banner.
> >
> > -Craig
> >
> >
> > --- On Mon, 5/18/09, Dave Powell, MMfab <[log in to unmask]> wrote:
> >
> > From: Dave Powell, MMfab <[log in to unmask]>
> > Subject: Re: backup hang and devinfo hang
> > To: [log in to unmask]
> > Date: Monday, May 18, 2009, 3:31 PM
> >
> > Ouch !
> >
> > Presumably it is only a very intermittent error, since we currently
> > backup
> > 80,000+ files a night on a combined store/slt, and we have only had
> > this
> > error once. Also, in our case we did not get the "Program terminated
> in
> > an
> > error state. (CIERR 976)" -- both the backup job and devinfo in the
> > other
> > job hung. Actually, the "hang" part bothered us a lot more than an
> > abort
> > would have.
> >
> > We had good old fashioned tape errors a few days before, and again a
> > few
> > days later, but nothing since the operator gave the drive a good
> > cleaning,
> > so I was *guessing* a cause along those lines.
> >
> > FWIW, the number of files in our backups increases steadily, mostly
> > because
> > we archive several hundred reports a month. 82,000 Friday night,
> 65,000
> > in
> > 09/20078, 37000 in 11/2003, etc.
> >
> > So, is there some point at which adding approx 800+ files a month
> gets
> > us
> > into REAL trouble ??
> > (they're in separate groups, so a limit on files in a group should
> > never be
> > an issue).
> >
> >
> > Dave (RELEASE: C.75.00 MPE/iX HP31900 C.45.05 USER VERSION: C.75.05)
> > Powell,
> > MMfab
> >
> >
> > ----- Original Message ----- From: "cathlene mcrae"
> > <[log in to unmask]>
> > To: "HP3000 List" <[log in to unmask]>; "Dave Powell"
> > <[log in to unmask]>
> > Sent: Monday, May 18, 2009 09:17
> > Subject: Re: backup hang and devinfo hang
> >
> >
> > Problem is a know issue, with sysgen and store. If the number of
> files
> > for
> > the
> > store is > 32k files.
> >
> > Cathlene Mc Rae
> > HP SR. Response Center Engineer
> > [log in to unmask]
> >
> >
> >
> > When creating a combined SLT/STORE tape, the Store process aborts
> with:
> >
> >
> > SENDMAIL TO SYSGEN FROM STORE FAILED. (S/R 1741)
> > **error** failed to receive status from STORE--
> > Can't make tape.
> > **error** Tape command failed.
> > SYSGEN tape is NO GOOD!
> > sysgen> e
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > Program terminated in an error state. (CIERR 976)
> > REMAINDER OF JOB FLUSHED.
> >
> > SENDMAIL TO SYSGEN FROM STORE FAILED. (S/R 1741)
> >
> > This causes SYSGEN to mark the tape as bad and unreadable.
> >
> > SOLUTION:
> > >From original document 4701321604 (originally seen on 5.5):
> >
> > Cause:
> >
> > One of the fields in the sendmail record that is passed between
> SYSGEN
> > and
> > STORE is a 16-bit field that is used to contain the number of files
> > that
> > were
> > successfully stored. If the number of files that are successfully
> > stored is
> > greater than 32767, the process will fail and the tape will be marked
> > as bad
> > .
> >
> > Temporary Solution:
> >
> > The only temporary workaround is to store less than 32K files when
> > creating
> > a
> > combined SLT/STORE tape.
> >
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