Shawn,
you are just a mouth-patriot. Your military experience is Zero.
The president of the US is not god.
god did not create the US for you and yours and did not create the rest of
the world for your pleasure.
whats your opinion on Ted Haggert and all these conservatives that are
child-molesters, hypocrites and in-closed gays?
On Thu, 9 Nov 2006 14:14:16 -0800, Shawn Gordon <[log in to unmask]>
wrote:
>James - you hate the US, we get that. You'll buy in to any
>conspiracy theory or slanderous comment about conservatives, we get
>that too, but you're really just digging yourself a big ass hole with
>all this loon tune crap.
>
>At 02:07 PM 11/9/2006, James B. Byrne wrote:
>>On Thu, November 9, 2006 14:32, Craig Lalley wrote:
>> >
>> >
>> > I have many friends in the military, every single one has a college
>> > degree.
>>
>>And no doubt every single one of these friends had their college education
>>completed before they enlisted? I have served and I have one graduate
>>degree and am completing another. This proves what? That my or your
>>narrow circle of professional acquaintances is representative of our
>>respective nation's armed services? Doubtful.
>>
>> >
>> > The name Pat Tillman comes to mind, but then he probably wasn't
educated.
>> >
>>
>>Does the presence of a few marquee names obviate the statistical evidence
>>that worldwide, the armed services are overwhelmingly filled with people
>>who have few other choices to avoid poverty and privation and that the
>>U.S. is no exception? Does it change the evidence that since 2004 the
>>U.S. military has steadily reduced the education and character standards
>>demanded of recruits to fill an army that is being hollowed out by the war
>>in Iraq? I think that it is well to recall that Mr. Tillman was killed by
>>his own army whose members throughout the chain of command then conspired
>>to destroy evidence of their complicity in his death.
>>
>>You wish to cast doubt on a general observation that is backed with
>>statistical analysis by reference to your private anecdotal experience.
>>This is a very weak response. Consider how many of your friends in the
>>military with degrees are privates and corporals? How many are in the
>>infantry or combat engineers? How many are regulars or reserves? How old
>>are they, 20 somethings or 40 somethings? Time has a way of filtering out
>>those with little ambition, doubtful commitment or lack of formal
>>education. To judge a military's social makeup upon the basis of its long
>>service cadre is a dubious undertaking. There was a world of diffence
>>between a milites and an optio although the latter was always once the
>>former.
>>
>>My point is that the U.S. military is not much different from any other
>>nation's with respect to its social and economic makeup. This is neither
>>a good thing, nor a bad thing. It is just the way things are and have
>>been for as long as anyone has bothered to consider.
>>
>>The interesting thing here is that of those that take issue with what are
>>fairly unremarkable observations about military service social patterns
>>none seem to recognize that my fundamental complaint is not about the use
>>of force per se, but about the misapplication of force in ways that can
>>only engender greater and more violent resistance without offering any
>>hope of final resolution. The successful application of coercion depends,
>>in the end, upon the subject's acceptance of its justice. When a nation
>>tosses out justice and substitutes self-interest, petty revenge or
>>indiscriminate application then it cannot hope to successfully employ
>>coercion on another. The nature of the tools employed, economic or
>>military, are actually secondary in effect.
>>
>>The Iraqis and the rest of the world consider the U.S. invasion of Iraq to
>>be completely unjustified and without benefit to either country's
>>long-term prospects. Without the Iraqi people accepting that the present
>>course of action is in their interest any hope of the United States
>>successfully concluding a long term occupation with a robust functioning
>>secular democracy in Iraq is dismal. In that case it really makes little
>>difference if you have an army of post-graduate Puritans, it is still
>>going to end in a debacle.
>>
>>
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