To answer Denys' question, I do not believe in either statement. They 
don't represent the full range of answers.

Why did I take exception to the Algore quip? As I said, this list is 
of least use when the discussion falls to demonizing and insults. The 
quip, while clever, was also divisive. And if you were one of the 
majority of Americans who voted for Al Gore in 2000, you might 
consider it an insult.

Of course, there's the possibility that "Algore" is a successful 
science presenter, as is Michael Moore's grasp of history. But I 
don't believe that's what you meant, when I look over the postings 
here.

Three minutes, 39 seconds.

Hoping this clears things up for everybody,

Ron Seybold
3000 NewsWire


At 2:07 PM -0500 9/25/06, Denys Beauchemin wrote:
>While I do not have any illusions that I can be compared to Groucho Marx, I
>do see that you adroitly managed not to answer the question and you
>deflected it by talking about another movie.  :-)
>
>I am trying to put a date/event on the T-shirt.  The slogan underneath the
>Hewlett Packard logo is Expanding Possibilities.  I suspect this was during
>Harry Sterling's tenure.  1999 San Francisco?
>
>
>
>Denys
>
>-----Original Message-----
>From: Ron Seybold [mailto:[log in to unmask]]
>Sent: Monday, September 25, 2006 11:02 AM
>To: [log in to unmask]
>Cc: [log in to unmask]
>Subject: OT: Enough of Mars. How about respect?
>
>Hello Denys, and other friends:
>
>Thanks for the welcome. It's a gracious gesture from such a prolific poster,
>both on-topic and OT.
>
>OT postings don't bother me, per se. The ones that work to demonize and
>insult people seem like soapbox material, to me. I have an opinion about the
>postings, so I labelled mine under "OT: Mars." Odd, that. I wanted to feel
>like I was part of a debate, I suppose.
>
>To Brice, on another list, my posts were "mealy-mouthed invective." Aside
>from being an oxymoron, the depiction doesn't feel accurate. I am trying to
>see the bigger picture, even promote peace through respect. Believe me, if
>there's anybody who could expel more damaging invective in fewer words on
>this list than me, I'd like to meet them. And I do mean meet them; this high
>ground of internet screeds and trolling offers a lot of cover for the
>sniping I read.
>
>Denys asked:
>
>"I thought my line "Algore does to science what Michael Moore does to
>history," was very clever, thinking that anyone who took offense to that
>would be confused and conflicted.
>
>"So Ron, when you took exception to it, is it because:
>
>"a) You think that Michael Moore's movie was correct in every way but that
>Algore's movie is crap and equating the two is an insult to Michael Moore.
>
>"b) You think that Algore's movie is correct in every way but that Michael
>Moore's movie was crap and equating the two is an insult to Algore.
>
>"So, is it a or b?"
>
>Now that's clever, I'll admit. Kind of like, "When did you stop beating your
>wife?" All in good sport, I hear you say. Some people don't like boxing as a
>sport. I like a good fight -- one with no repercussion except bruises,
>bragging and belt transfers.
>
>But when it comes to the commander in chief or his 2000 rival, I don't
>believe that's a sport. Nor do I think that your two choices you gave me
>cover the range of what I meant to say. I can point to a recent ABC
>"docudrama" that was as biased as either Gore's movie or Moore's. These are
>editorials, really. It's unfortunate that ABC decided to air its program
>with all of its factual errors. Dramatic license has been used for centuries
>to tell tall tales. I'm off ABC now, and all of its advertisers. A letter to
>my local affilate made my boycott evident.
>
>What I meant to say about Algore (as you call him) and W is this: pulling
>down anybody with subjective facts seems unlikely to change the outcome of
>the future of the US. Running for office, posting in a widely-read forum
>like a newspaper or even a daily newspaper's blog, even working in a
>precinct as a chair, joining a volunteer organization -- that's the sort of
>thing worthy of brainpower and passion. Everything is just an exercise of
>First Amendment rights.
>
>OT is a good exercise of humor, writing skills and thinking. I just have a
>preference for information instead of opinion. I think it's pretty clear to
>me right now where you and Brice stand on those topics that can have a
>political angle. It disappoints me that anything not directly related to the
>HP 3000 or computing veers toward socio-political debate here, and on
>another list we both read.
>
>(Oh, and I've got that I-64 t-shirt, too. I'd love to be talking about
>MPE/iX 8.0, let along 9.0. I still believe someday in the future we can
>discuss that here, once OpenMPE gets a lab up and running. That's another
>group still reaching for the respect they deserve.)
>
>(Okay, I spent 10 minutes on this one. And I'm beginning to see how this is
>addictive. Good thing I already had today's NewsWire NewsBlog story online.
>HP's calling off its 3000-to-9000 conversion kit program. Read about it at
><http://3000newswire.com/blog>)
>
>Hope everybody has a good Monday; thanks for playing. And I'm looking
>forward to seeing Denys and everybody else at GHRUG in November.
>
>Ron Seybold
>3000 NewsWire

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