Brice,

honestly, what would you have said if all this would have happened during 
Clinton's time?

misleading the US into a war in Iraq (not Afghanistan)

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I would have been stunned the man had the guts to take us to war, and
presumed there was a secret motive somewhere.  When I heard about the 
'Slam Dunk' I would have found out it was his appointee which said it
and presumed the position was given as a political favor not for
competance.

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troops without sufficient protection

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I would have presumed this was because the Democrats cut back on military
spending.

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no plan at all for Iraq

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Make no mistake, I fault GWB and his buddies for this.  I was surprised
this was poorly thought out and expected better.

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secret surveillance programs

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I would have presumed this had less to do with national security and
more to do with a secret agenda.

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failure of FEMA/DHS during Katrina

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I would have figured this was a direct consequence of President Carter
dismantling Civil Defense and replacign it with FEMA.

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a deal to provide illegal immigrants a chance to become American citizens

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This would not have been the first time a Democrat had done this.  I would
have called instead for enforcing the law, just like I am now.

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Tax-cuts for the rich and investors

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If by 'rich' you mean people like me who are well off but not what I 
would call rich, I would figure he had either taken a page from the
Republican book or had been leaned on by a Republican Congress to
do it.

If by 'rich' you mean people who are really rich, then I would have
figured his rich buddies had bribed him somehow to give them tax 
breaks.

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record deficit year after year

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Just like almost every president since FDR?

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How would you have described Bill Clinton then?
As a competent faithful leader that knows what he is doing and that is 
trustworthy and has earned our support and respect?

Be honest

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I would never had described WJC that way.  But then I do not describe GWB 
that way either.  I would like to see more competance out of GWB, but I 
think he is coming off as faithful.  WJC was more competant, but he was 
just crooked.  A fast talker, clever liar, a weasel.

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Michael

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