John,
Here is another interesting thought based on our own self
interest. Doesn't anyone make a correlation between 9/11/2001 and
11/14/2001?? The attack sadly cost us 3000+ U.S. lives and it is my view
that 9/11 cost us the future of the HP 3000. The HP 3000 could have
continued and might have without the disaster and its affect on the
economy. Would that the previous administration to Bush's had taken action
and we might yet have a future for the HP 3000!
Thanks,
Jeff Kubler
At 10:00 AM 3/21/2006, John Lee wrote:
>But the attacks have also subsided, as we've learned how to deal with
>them. And we've learned how to deal with them partly by getting inside
>these networks and tearing them down. It's dirty work, but the
>alternative was to do nothing, and history proved that didn't work. It
>cost us 3000 lives in one hour back in 2001. How quickly we forget those
>who died that day.
>
>John Lee
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>At 09:43 AM 3/21/06 -0800, Glenn Paden wrote:
>>Reality is a little more complex than that. I'll bet there was some in Spain
>>or England who took some comfort in that line of reasoning.
>>
>>-----Original Message-----
>>From: John Lee [mailto:[log in to unmask]]
>>Sent: Tuesday, March 21, 2006 8:52 AM
>>To: [log in to unmask]
>>Subject: Re: [HP3000-L] OT: Third anniversary
>>
>>Reality to me, as I told one of my daughters last night, is that the car
>>bombs are being planted in Iraq and not in the USA. And after 9/11, I
>>wasn't so sure that car bombs weren't about to start going off in my
>>neighborhood. This may sound selfish, but who amongst us doesn't feel the
>>same way?
>>
>>John Lee
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>>At 10:18 AM 3/21/06 -0500, James B. Byrne wrote:
>> >On Mon, 20 Mar 2006 21:21:31 -0600, Denys Beauchemin
>> ><[log in to unmask]> wrote:
>> >
>> > > Here on Earth reality is somewhat different. Earlier this month a
>> > > book with the title "Saddam's Secrets" hit the bookstore
>> > > shelves. It is written by an Iraqi general called Georges Sada.
>> > > I bought a copy and I read it. I actually had to stop and put
>> > > down the book for a couple of days as one of the scenes he
>> > > described was just a little too disturbing for me.
>> >
>> >Reality is no more than what one chooses to believe and your
>> >evident belief that this publication is anything more than a PR
>> >exercise, no doubt funded in some obscure manner by U.S.
>> >Intelligence or Military sources if not actually written by a team
>> >of government ghost writers, is touching. It is without doubt
>> >brutal, for pornography is what sells after all.
>> >
>> >However, without the spectacle of outrageous brutality, what does
>> >it tell us? That Saddam, invader of Iran, conqueror of Kuwait,
>> >taker of millions of lives in wars and repression, and a brutal
>> >despot to his subjects, was a miserable creature that should have
>> >been marched into a dock at the Hague to answer for his crimes
>> >decades ago? And who, along with people like Idi Amin, Mobutu Sese
>> >Seko and Charles Taylor, would have been, but for the steadfast
>> >opposition and connivance of the governments of the USA, UK,
>> >France, USSR/Russia, and China.
>> >
>> >Demonizing alien opponents is an ancient, if tawdry, practice when
>> >rulers are faced with their own inadequacies and resultant
>> >discontent at home. So, what could be more convenient than the
>> >self-professed confession of an alleged "enemy" high-ranking
>> >officer to provide a sense of moral outrage to a population beset
>> >with flagging support for an illegal and otherwise unjust war
>> >instigated on the basis outright fabrications. The big lie is, in
>> >the end, the real business of kings and coining yet another to prop
>> >up the first is no great leap.
>> >
>> >However, I offer for relief of your temporary emotional distress
>> >the following report at:
>> >
>> >http://www.nytimes.com/2006/03/19/international/middleeast/19abuse.h
>> >tml.
>> >
>> ><satire>Admittedly this article is produced by journalists who,
>> >unlike pseudonymous Gen. Georges Sada (a most curious Sunni name,
>> >of French descent perhaps?), are subject to public scrutiny and
>> >cross-checking of sources. But, it is comforting to see that the
>> >United States acts in such an elevated manner itself when it comes
>> >to dealing with dissent.</satire>
>> >
>> >You might also want to delve into recent British experience with
>> >the militant IRA and their 30 year campaign to destroy it from
>> >inside. In true Orwellian fashion it turns out that for the last
>> >15 years of its existence the Provisional IRA was, in effect, a
>> >creature of British Military Intelligence (MI5). During this
>> >period it seems that many, if not most, of their violent acts were
>> >instigated, often funded, supplied and in some cases actually
>> >carried out, by fully paid and controlled agents of the British
>> >Crown.
>> >
>> >This month's "Atlantic Magazine" has a feature article on the
>> >affair (http://www.theatlantic.com/doc/prem/200604/ira-spy) and
>> >mentions in passing the savoury practice by which MI5 had some of
>> >their agents betrayed (resulting in summary execution) by other
>> >agents to enhance the reputation of the survivors.
>> >
>> >With protectors such as these democracy can certainly rest easier,
>> >albeit in chains.
>> >
>> >
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