Hi Denys & All :)
I am happily going to throw a very fun wrinkle in this one... :)
Remember all members of the U.S. military are considered government
employees/workers :) They just happen to probably be the worst paid ones...
Art "just a wrinkle or two :) hehehe" Bahrs
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Sorry, but I disagree with many of the thoughts here. There are patriots
and many of them are in government.
I would not indict all politicians and government worker because of bad
apples. People are corrupted because there are people who corrupt them,
Abramoff, Soros, etc. Take away their importance and these lobbyists will
go away.
There are 2 quick and easy remedies to the corruption of the few:
1- Institute term limits. (BTW, are Democrats here happy to be represented
by Ted Kennedy at the hearings this week? If this is not the poster child
for term limits, I don't know what is.)
2- Throw out the campaign finance laws, especially the McCain-Feingold one.
These laws created lobbyists, concentrated their power and created the
current situation. In the age of the Internet, simply let anyone give as
much as they want to their candidates and post all transactions of the
Internet. Total transparency in campaign financing.
Back to the salt mines.
Denys
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What we sorely lack in the USA are true patriots, those who think of the
team first, and personally sacrifice for the good of the team. Our
generation has been taught, and we're teaching our kids, that life is all
about ourselves, accumulating material wealth ahead of all else, and
getting and staying ahead of others. We've become a society where success
is a destination rather than a journey. And that's why white collar crime
(which is what political corruption is) has become rampant. We're teaching
greed. And I think we're teaching it at every level of society...schools,
churches, jobs, youth athletics, etc. Until we model something different,
we'll continue to be a group of individuals trying to cohabitate rather
than the cohesive team that this country was during, for example, WWII.
And I'm becoming convinced that a big step in that direction is to make the
estate tax much much higher for those who have accumulated great
wealth. They should be forced to return most of it to society (this coming
from a Republican!!).
John Lee
At 12:39 PM 1/11/06 -0500, James B. Byrne wrote:
>On Tue, 10 Jan 2006 11:35:30 -0500, Michael Baier
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> > Time for another Boston tea-party?
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>Would that not be a "political act"? Would that not make the
>instigators "politicians" by definition? Given the premise that all
>politicians are inherently corrupt then the inescapable conclusion is
>that all participants in such a venture would be thereby corrupted
>themselves.
>
>However, this absurdity is avoided because political systems and
>their participants are not inherently corrupt, they are inherently
>corruptible, as are all human endeavours be they church, state, or
>commerce. Politics is an irreducible element of human existence
>because all social systems ultimately depend upon compromise and co-
>operation between individuals who often possess widely divergent
>interpretations of the same evidence. The process of obtaining this
>co-operation without recourse to violent coercion is politics. The
>results are sometimes obtained for base advantage and sometimes for
>sublime good, but they are always attained by political action.
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