Fritz and Richard, you might note that one disadvantage of 200-student
lectures is that Adjuncts can only teach 99 students, due to either our
lack of experience or the fear of having to pay us enough to get home on.
This means that UTC would have to actually pay real professors (enough to
get home on).


>At 08:13 AM 11/11/2004 -0500, Richard Rice wrote:
>
>>Jim [Hiestand] is being realistic in asking how we can continue to provide
>>something
>>valuable to the community with flat or declining budgets, and money rushing
>>into non-academic endeavors. I have a few ideas we might want to consider,
>>although I do not necessarily advocate these potential solutions.
>
>... Ricky Horn <[log in to unmask]>
>
>>Second, we could restructure campus buildings to include large lecture
>>halls so that we can have introductory classes in the 150-200 student
>>range, taught by professors and evaluated by grading assistants. When I
>>taught at Knoxville the Western Civilization classes were 250 students with
>>five graduates assistants to lead discussions and grade. I much prefer the
>>class sizes at UTC, but our student/faculty ratio and small classrooms make
>>for an expensive system. Harvard undergraduate courses are also in the 200
>>plus student range, so there is not a correlation with quality, provided
>>you have students bright enough to learn on their own. By the way, this is
>>how you fund expensive graduate programs; you milk the undergraduates.
>>
>>Third, we should look to low cost high volume programs like the new EDD
>>degree program. With only three new modestly salaried (probably under
>>$100,000) new graduate faculty and limited library costs, we will probably
>>have a lot of graduate students and their tuition. This contrasts with the
>>new Computational Engineering program outlined yesterday by Dean Bailey,
>>which carries a very high per student cost. Still, maybe some will stick
>>around to enjoy the quality of life in Chattanooga and make this the new
>>Silicon Valley where shadows creep. As I said yesterday, they are now part
>>of the UTC team, and we should all pray for their success. If they fail in
>>attracting grants to become self-funding -- according to Harry McDonald
>>they are ahead of projections now -- we will all feel the pinch at the end
>>of the day.
>I seem to recall that last year when the Senate was discussing the Ed.D.
>program a question was raised about the timing of introducing a new
>doctoral program so soon after taking on the prospective burden of the
>CoSim Design program.  Senate was told that if ANY program failed to make
>money after being promised it would, it could be discontinued.  This would
>be true of both the Ed.D. program and the CoSim Design program, we were told.
>
>This should not be allowed to become a frightening prospect,  just because
>we ARE all in this together, and commitments of collegiality among tenured
>funambulists, lion tamers, and clowns run both ways.  Whenever the time
>comes to scrap CoSim Design, I'm sure Professors McDondald, Briley and the
>rest of the crew will step up to the plate as ordinary professors of
>engineering to take on a teaching load of 15 hours a term each, consisting
>of five sections of freshman calculus, 300 - 500 students per section, and
>no T.A.'s (which  UTC can hardly afford).
>
>This, in turn, would set a new, higher standard for salary among teaching
>faculty.  By the time the rest of us are raised to that standard we should
>be sitting pretty.
>
>
>
>
>Fritz W. Efaw, SB, AAdipl, PhD,
>Rose of Cimarron Distinguished
>Chair of  Excellent Edu-Babble.
>         FACIEMUS !


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