On Tue, 28 Sep 2004 13:49:27 -0400, Brice Yokem <[log in to unmask]> wrote:

>Wow!  Is this the same NASA that launched the Mars probes that crashed
>at 3B$?
>
>Is this the same NASA that quoted a B$ figure for a reusable space
>vehicle then it was done by a private enterprise for a M$ figure?
>
>Since the job of NASA has become to employ armies of bureaucrats, I am not
>sure I am going to put much faith in any study doen by them.
>
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>
Brice,

they should have used the Iraqui space-program that you are always talking
about. Seems the US is turning into a 4-world as a 3rd world country
according to your "knowledge" is ahead.
Where GWB is is not the front, its the back. He was never in the front-
line ;-)

How about these folks?

Scientists Begin a Campaign to Oppose President's Policies
By KENNETH CHANG    Published: September 28, 2004

While Bruce Springsteen, Dave Matthews and other rock stars sing on a "Vote
for Change" concert tour, another disgruntled group - this one of
scientists - will crisscross the well-worn landscape of battleground states
over the next month, giving lectures that will argue that the Bush
administration has ignored and misused science.

The group, Scientists and Engineers for Change, another addition to the
flood of so-called 527 advocacy groups that have filled this year's
election discourse, announced its existence and plans yesterday in a
telephone news conference. At least 25 scientists will give talks in 10
contested states: Iowa, Michigan, Minnesota, Missouri, New Mexico,
Pennsylvania, Ohio, Oregon, Virginia and Wisconsin.

Among the headlining lecturers are 10 Nobel Prize winners, including Dr.
Douglas D. Osheroff, a professor of physics at Stanford; Dr. Peter C. Agre,
a professor of biological chemistry at Johns Hopkins; and Dr. Harold
Varmus, former director of the National Institutes of Health.

Compared with more prominent 527's, like MoveOn PAC and Swift Boat Veterans
for Truth, the scientists' group will operate on a modest budget of
$100,000, which will mainly pay for lecturers' travel expenses.

The group has no direct ties to the campaign of Senator John Kerry, the
Democratic nominee, but 9 members were among 48 Nobel laureates who signed
a June 21 letter endorsing Mr. Kerry. Several of the scientists have also
signed a statement from the Union of Concerned Scientists that accuses the
Bush administration of manipulating scientific findings to support its
policies. The union opposes the administration on numerous issues,
including the environment and energy.

At the news conference, Dr. Vinton G. Cerf, one of the architects of the
Internet in the 1960's and 1970's and current chairman of Icann, the
Internet Corporation for Assigned Names and Numbers, said, "Science counts,
and it has not counted sufficiently in this administration."

Dr. Cerf said he was a registered Republican, but that he joined the
group "in the hope that we bring debate, science and technology, into the
political debate so that the electorate understands the importance that it
has in our society."

Dr. Cerf said the United States was "at risk of losing the edge" in
technology because the Bush administration was cutting basic research
budgets at the Department of Defense, the National Science Foundation and
the National Institute of Standards and Technology.

Robert Hopkins, a spokesman for the Office of Science and Technology
Policy, disputed that opinion. "I don't know where their accounting is
coming from," Mr. Hopkins said. "The president has been a strong and
generous supporter of science, increasing federal R&D budgets 44 percent to
a record $132 billion."

The administration's policies on energy and global warming prompted Dr.
Osheroff to take part. "I am not a Democrat and I have never played a
significant role in politics," he said. "We must begin to address climate
change now. To do so, we must have an administration that listens to the
scientific community, not one that manipulates and minimizes scientific
input."

Dr. Osheroff, who is scheduled to give the first lecture tonight at the
University of Oregon, said he did not plan to explicitly urge his audience
to vote for Mr. Kerry.

"At the end of my talk,'' he said, "I think people hopefully will be
convinced that this administration is not doing an adequate job, that
they're just not listening to scientists on these issues, that it's
basically business as usual. I think people can decide how important that
issue is, by themselves."

Dr. Cerf interjected: "Well, actually, Doug, let's be honest about this.
The name of this group is Scientists and Engineers for Change. Now, what do
you imagine we want to change?"

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