Hi Ray :)
um... sorry... title search has to be performed... seems some shady
deals have been made in the past concerning the ownership of the party :)
Art "IT's Worst Joke Friday! hehe" Bahrs
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Denys Beauchemin states: "Let's see, George Soros buys the Democratic Party
"
Wow, did he get a certificate of title?
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> From: HP-3000 Systems Discussion [SMTP:[log in to unmask]] On Behalf
Of Denys Beauchemin
> Sent: Friday, August 27, 2004 9:02 AM
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> Subject: Re: [HP3000-L] OT: Simple truths
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> It's interesting to read such a post coming from Wirt, the
> oft-self-confessed registered Republican on the list. Let me take this
> occasion to debunk a myth on this list; I am not and have never been a
> registered Republican. I am a conservative. Currently, the major party
> that more (not most) closely reflects my views happens to be the
> Republican party, but 40 years ago, that could have been the Democratic
> party, before the Socialists, the special interests and the kooky fringe
> took it over.
>
> At any rate, the 4 stories that Wirt posted are mildly interesting.
> Here is how I read them:
>
> 1- On Gay Marriage:
> The Republican Party seems to be open to many. You do not have to
> subscribe to all its views in order to be elevated within the party.
> The vice-president is for gay marriage, the secretary of State is for
> affirmative action, the governator and the erstwhile mayor of New York
> (and several high officials) are pro-abortion, etc. There are many
> views reflected in the party. This is certainly not the case in the
> Democratic Party. If a high official was pro-life or in any way opposed
> to a tenet of the party, this person would be summarily purged from the
> party.
>
> I take you back to a posting a few weeks ago by my very good friend Wirt
> who stated that when someone talks about states rights he instantly
> thinks of segregation and worse. In the case of gay marriage however,
> Wirt seems to think states right are ok. It's nice to be able to pick
> and choose your beliefs. The problem with the various states having
> differing positions on marriage is that one will be left with a
> veritable panoply of arrangements and when people start moving from
> state to state, it will surely create confusion. I leave it to your
> imagination to come up with variations that California, and New York
> would come up with and how that would go over in say, Utah.
>
> Finally it is clear that whilst the vice-president has his own opinions,
> the president is clearly in charge and the vice-president is the first
> one to recognize that. (Or are you picking and choosing again?)
>
> 2-On Global Warming
> This shows there is certainly room for disagreement in the Bush
> administration, something not seen in the prior administration.
> However, the accumulating science has really underlined the fallacy
> behind this version of catastrophism and so I say, let's see what
> tomorrow's report brings. BTW, this report does not explain the warming
> trend on Mars, which I suspect is due to Halliburton, Bush and Texas in
> general.
>
> 3- On Partial Birth Abortion
> Here I must say that I am baffled. I do not understand what that has to
> do with Republicans. Perhaps one should inform my friend Wirt that just
> because there is a Republican administration in the White House does not
> mean ALL federal judges are Republicans. Especially in San Francisco.
>
> 4-Federal Election Commissioner
> And finally we get to the story that is the most interesting. Sen. John
> McCain is certainly a colorful figure, a maverick, within the Republican
> Party, something that is simply not tolerated in the other party.
> McCain is fun to observe and has certainly been in the center of
> whatever controversy he can steer up or take part in. McCain is also
> the darling of the (elite, mainstream, left-falling (forget leaning))
> media wing of the Democratic Party. If he can attack, embarrass or at
> least disagree with other Republicans, the press reports it with glee.>
>
> However, in this case, McCain has to participate in this debate, for two
> reasons. 1- He is a Vietnam Veteran 2-He is one of the co-authors of
> the campaign finance reform act that has created this mess. Yes indeed,
> McCain-Feingold CFR created this multi-headed monster in its virulent
> attack on the first amendment. The 527s are a direct result of the
> McCain-Feingold BCRA of 2002. The organizations (called 527 after the
> section in the tax code under which these tax-free entities fall,) were
> formed to advocate policy by whatever means they see fit.
>
> Let me quote from the IRS publication:
>
> Section 527 generally provides that political organizations that collect
> and expend monies for exempt function purposes as described in 527
> (e)(2) are exempt from Federal income tax except on their investment
> income.
>
> Section 527(e)(1) defines a political organization as a party,
> committee, association, fund or other organization(whether or not
> incorporate), organized and operated primarily for the purpose of
> accepting contributions or making expenditures, or both, for an exempt
> function.
>
> Section 527(e)(2) provides that the term "exempt function" for purposes
> of 527 means the function of influencing or attempting to influence the
> selection, nomination, election, or appointment of any individual to any
> Federal, State, or local public office or office in a political
> organization, or the election of Presidential or Vice-Presidential
> electors, whether or not such individual or electors are selected,
> nominated, elected, or appointed. By its terms, 527(e)(2) includes all
> attempts to influence the selection, nomination, election, or
> appointment of the described officials.
>
> As you can see, the BCRA created a monster and now McCain is trying to
> contain it. Is it gauche of me to point out that McCain only started
> squawking when the Swiftvets.com organization came to light but that he
> was quite happy to leave alone the 527s attacking Bush during the last 2
> years?
>
> Let's see, George Soros buys the Democratic Party and also funds
> MoveOn.org to the tune of $15 million. This organization repeatedly
> compares Bush to Hitler and generally attacks him at every turn. That's
> ok with the media, John Kerry and John McCain.
>
> But when 254 Vietnam veterans get together and create an ad countering
> John Kerry's claims and they manage to get $150,000 from a Texas donor,
> the media, John Kerry and John McCain get their knickers in a twist. I
> guess what makes the difference is that what MoveOn.org and its ilk
> produce is total fiction, whereas what Swiftvets.com produces appears to
> be truthful and that's not acceptable.
>
> Denys
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