I hear what you're saying, John.  But I'm coming to the conclusion that the
framers of our constitution, whom I highly regard for their wisdom and
suffering, didn't intend for elected office to be a career, but rather an
obligation that (perhaps) everyone should shoulder at least once in their
lifetime, similar to jury duty.  Perhaps they could see the danger in
"career politicians"?

John Lee



At 02:29 PM 7/21/04 -0400, JohnMcDowell wrote:
>Term limits have been successful in states where there has been a ballot
initiative from the grass roots. You are right there is much resistance
from the lifers. Feel free to start one in your state.
>
>I see a great benefit to limits. This said there is still a part of me
that has a problem with having a law that says that I can not support the
candidate that I feel is best, no matter how long they have served. It
seems to be an issue that is simple on the surface, but has many underlying
pros and cons to it.
>
>John McDowell
>
> -----Original Message-----
>From:   George Willis [mailto:[log in to unmask]]
>Sent:   Wednesday, July 21, 2004 2:17 PM
>To:     [log in to unmask]
>Subject:             Re: [HP3000-L] OT: Republicans riot in Las Vegas
>
>It seems that we have touched a nerve to two on this thread regarding
>Dems and Reps.  Despite who will be our next President, I believe that
>if you want to REALLY improve our government, we need to impose term
>limitations on our Congressman - just like Presidents, Governors,
>Mayors, etc. Most of the Senators and Representatives have become lifers
>and have lost touch with its citizens and the morals fibers that make
>this country great.
>
>Previous attempts to impose term limits have failed from the lifers that
>selfishly want to keep a good thing going. How would one go about to
>launch such a campaign?
>
>George Willis
>
>-----Original Message-----
>From: HP-3000 Systems Discussion [mailto:[log in to unmask]] On
>Behalf Of John Clogg
>Sent: Wednesday, July 21, 2004 12:43 PM
>To: [log in to unmask]
>Subject: [HP3000-L] OT: Republicans riot in Las Vegas
>
>Scott Gates wrote:
>
>>I'm not sure what Ms. Ronstadt said, but, did it WARRANT a riot by
>those who
>>disagree? Did it rate a lifetime ban from wherever she's been banned?
>>Should one who speaks counter to our current administration fear for
>their
>>livelihood?  Their LIVES?
>
>The term "riot" applied to this incident is one of the most grotesque
>exaggerations our illustrious press has come up with in a long time.
>Did you read the article?  People booed and walked out of the
>performance.  Some threw drinks.  Linda Ronstadt had no reason to fear
>for her life.  She has not been banned from the establishment because of
>her political views, she is banned because she failed to do her job as a
>highly-paid entertainer, which is to please her audience.
>
>Yes, some of those who disliked Ms. Ronstadt's comments overreacted.
>Tearing down posters and throwing beverages (if that really happened) is
>inappropriate and regrettable.  As we all know, any time there is a
>large group of people making a protest, some will misbehave.  To use a
>headline like "Republicans Riot" implies three things that are probably
>not true: (1) there was a riot, (2) all those who protested Ms.
>Ronstadt's comments were Republicans, and (3) all of them participated
>in the uglier aspects of the incident.  My guess is the following is
>what really happened: Many people booed, a small but significant
>percentage of those left the room, some drinks were spilled in the
>process, and one or two people vandalized posters.
>
>I voted for Al Gore in the last presidential election, and I was against
>the invasion of Iraq, but I find myself these days increasingly often
>defending George Bush and Republicans in general, because so many
>idiotic accusations are made against them.
>
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