Art,
i was and lived in several training camps and several of my friends
where/are in the Army and National Guard.
Ok, basic training is 8 weeks instead of 6. Is that several years of
training as mentioned to the message I was replying to?
My friends served 2 weeks a year and then several weekends in the National
Guard.
The drove around in Jeeps/trucks and every now-and-then shot a couple
rounds. That was it.
I wouldn't call that several years of rigerous training either.
Ask the kids that are/were send to Iraq about there rigerous training and
they'll probably laugh or cry.
My wife's ex is in the NG was army for years.
He was in Afghanistan and Iraq.
The training he got (MP) was a joke according to him and the was so glad,
that he could stay in Kuwait instead of going into Iraq.
He called several times and cried on the phone cause he was afraid.
Hardly a rigorous training either.
I only spoke about ARMY and NG-Army
Michael
On Mon, 22 Mar 2004 10:22:49 -0800, Art Bahrs <[log in to unmask]> wrote:
>Hi Michael,
> Um... a few problems with your facts and prejudices...
>
> Basic Training for the U.S. Army is 8 weeks minimum, and the Marine
>Corp is longer (not exactly sure how much longer...) and these are the
>only branches with "Soldiers" . The Air Force, Air National Guard have
>'Airmen'. The Navy and Coast Guard have Sailors with the exception of the
>SEALS who are referred to as SEALS.
>
> Second is the the concept of our training methodology... The Army does
>in fact have a training doctrine that bases on the fact that we will have
>multilevel time tiered training for those units being used in the Combat
>Arms. This is not always possible but is followed as closely as possible.
>
> You show your prejudice against the National Guard and your lack of
>knowledge about it by calling Guardsmen "Weekend Warrior". This term was
>thrown out years ago when the Guard had over 50% callups for the Desert
>Storm. Especially now when the Guard is deployed in over 60 countries on
>Peace Keeping, UN Relief and Combat Missions. The Oregon Army and Air
>National Guard alone has over 48 % of our personnel deployed overseas in
>combat zones. My Unit alone has almost 20% deployed either in Homeland
>Security Ops or at Fort Benning teaching NCO Development Courses.
>
> The National Guard is trained and evaluated using the same Programs of
>Instruction, materials and standards as their active components are. With
>one major exception... Guardsmen, like myself, have to maintain our
>civilian training and certifications at the same time as maintaining our
>military training, certifications and qualifications. Also, for all of the
>10's of thousands of National Guardsmen and Reservists that are deployed
>(many for 1-3 years already) civilian careers have been put on hold while
>serving.
>
> You need to review your subjects before evaluating something ... your
>statements are likened to the New York Times reporter that didn't do his
>research for this articles a while back... If you want to know how easy the
>life of the National Guard is.... call your local armory and arrange a
>'ride along' weekend... the recruiter would love to support your quest for
>facts.... Make it an infantry unit if there are any in your area that
>haven't been deployed... After all ... the Reserve Components make up 50+%
>of the U.S. military force.
>
>Art "always willing to educate those who know not who serve" Bahrs
>
>P.S. if this shows up for some reason encrypted ... Everyone, let me
>know... I sent it out unencrypted. but we use the notes client so....
>
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>On Mon, 22 Mar 2004 09:49:12 -0500, Brice Yokem <[log in to unmask]> wrote:
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>>The premise of your comment is that Mankind is fundamentally aggressive
>>towards itself. If this were true, why is it that numerous studies of the
>>behaviour of soldiers in combat demonstrates or, at least, points to
>Mankind
>>being fundamentally averse to killing their own? The only human types
>that
>>fulfil your premise are psychopaths.
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>>The unanimous consent you speak of is already built into our genes.
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>>Richard -
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>>There are other things built into our genes also, and it does not take
>>a psycopath for this to manifest itself. Soldiers have years of
>>rigorous training in order to become soldiers, this is to override
>>these 'other' impulses.
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>
>Years of rigorous training. ROFL
>You have no idea about the military, right?
>6 weeks base-training or our "weekend-warriors" from the National Guard.
>When did they receive the years of training?
>You ever been in a military post and seen the training?
>If not, JOIN or stop talking about things you have no idea about
>
>Michael
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