HP3000-L Archives

March 2004, Week 2

HP3000-L@RAVEN.UTC.EDU

Options: Use Monospaced Font
Show Text Part by Default
Show All Mail Headers

Message: [<< First] [< Prev] [Next >] [Last >>]
Topic: [<< First] [< Prev] [Next >] [Last >>]
Author: [<< First] [< Prev] [Next >] [Last >>]

Print Reply
Subject:
From:
"Johnson, Tracy" <[log in to unmask]>
Reply To:
Johnson, Tracy
Date:
Tue, 9 Mar 2004 12:39:48 -0500
Content-Type:
text/plain
Parts/Attachments:
text/plain (248 lines)
As I admit being the HP3000-L "clown".

I have no intent to make the argument 
any more serious than that.

BT


Tracy Johnson
MSI Schaevitz Sensors 

> -----Original Message-----
> From: HP-3000 Systems Discussion [mailto:[log in to unmask]]On
> Behalf Of Michael Berkowitz
> Sent: Tuesday, March 09, 2004 12:26 PM
> To: [log in to unmask]
> Subject: Re: [HP3000-L] Display Function Behavior on 3 Emulators
> 
> 
> Tracy vs. Tracy
> 
> Mano y mano
> 
> Your referee for today's entertainment
> Mike Berkowitz
> Guess? Inc.
> 
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Johnson, Tracy [mailto:[log in to unmask]] 
> Sent: Tuesday, March 09, 2004 9:22 AM
> To: [log in to unmask]
> Subject: Re: Display Function Behavior on 3 Emulators
> Importance: Low
> 
> 
> O.K. When I find HP "smart" terminal regularly
> used in the context of an HP2645A HP2647, HP2622B,
> HP2626W, HP2624A or B HP2382, HP2392, HP150,
> HP700/92, HP700/94, or HP700/96, ...
> 
> I'll recant.  Until then, I'll call them
> "dumb" terminals to my heart's content.
> 
> BT
> 
> 
> Tracy Johnson
> MSI Schaevitz Sensors 
> 
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: Tracy Pierce [mailto:[log in to unmask]]
> > Sent: Tuesday, March 09, 2004 12:08 PM
> > To: Johnson, Tracy; [log in to unmask]
> > Subject: RE: Display Function Behavior on 3 Emulators
> > 
> > 
> > > Just because I didn't spit out the exact model number you 
> > have to nitpick!
> > > I did say it was an "HP" dumb terminal...
> > 
> > Yes you did, and I'm touched that you see my correction as a 
> > nitpick, then
> > make the same mistake again.
> > 
> > A "dumb terminal" (which lookup via google) is simply that.  
> > No magic, or
> > very little.  HPTerm on the other hand uses a very 
> > proprietary and quite
> > extensive system of controls for doing all sorts of magic, including
> > unprotected fields, display enhancement, etc etc.  But I 
> > guess you could
> > call it dumb because it doesn't show nulls in display 
> > functions mode, dumb!
> > 
> > They're quite opposite, and you seem quite touchy!  
> > 
> > The exact model number _I_ spit out happens to be one that 
> > does do monitor
> > mode, what you need to see nulls on the screen.  You can also 
> > see them with
> > the old 256x printers; I think you use the very same escape 
> > sequence to turn
> > it on, too.  TerminalControlLanguage, that entity which 
> > includes sequences
> > to turn on blinking etc, developed (or should we say 
> > evolved?) alongside
> > PrinterControlLanguage, is the reason you see that HP logo on 
> > all those
> > laser printers.  Canon had a cool laser engine, and needed a 
> > way to talk to
> > it.  HP got so rich they forgot about their flagship computer.
> > 
> > You ask a real question here, you get a real answer, sometimes.
> > 
> > Tracy Pierce
> > 
> > 
> > 
> > > -----Original Message-----
> > > From: Johnson, Tracy [mailto:[log in to unmask]] 
> > > Sent: Monday, March 08, 2004 11:21 AM
> > > To: [log in to unmask]
> > > Subject: Re: Display Function Behavior on 3 Emulators
> > > 
> > > 
> > > Just because I didn't spit out the exact model number
> > > you have to nitpick!  I did say it was an "HP" dumb
> > > terminal...
> > > 
> > > BT
> > > 
> > > 
> > > Tracy Johnson
> > > MSI Schaevitz Sensors=20
> > > 
> > > > -----Original Message-----
> > > > From: HP-3000 Systems Discussion 
> [mailto:[log in to unmask]]On
> > > > Behalf Of Tracy Pierce
> > > > Sent: Monday, March 08, 2004 1:16 PM
> > > > To: [log in to unmask]
> > > > Subject: Re: [HP3000-L] Display Function Behavior on 3 Emulators
> > > >=20
> > > >=20
> > > > "HP terminal" and "dumb terminal" are two different things,=20
> > > > dumb terminal
> > > > meaning "doesn't do squat except CR & LF", HP Terminal=20
> > > > meaning "knows HP
> > > > terminal control language", a collection of HP-exclusive=20
> > > > (mostly) responses
> > > > to escape sequences.
> > > >=20
> > > > But if your terminal is an HP 2645A, there's a button=20
> > > > labelled "display
> > > > functions", and there's a red pilot lamp indicating that it's=20
> > > > on.  If you do
> > > > control-display-functions (or something similar, sbeen a=20
> > > > while), you get
> > > > MonitorMode, which displays the nulls, and blinks the 
> pilot lamp.
> > > >=20
> > > >=20
> > > >=20
> > > > > -----Original Message-----
> > > > > From: Johnson, Tracy [mailto:[log in to unmask]]
> > > > > Sent: Monday, March 08, 2004 8:57 AM
> > > > > To: [log in to unmask]
> > > > > Subject: Re: Display Function Behavior on 3 Emulators
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > Oh and BTW, I went to a HP dumb terminal and got:
> > > > >
> > > > > LSSSC
> > > > > FXHXR
> > > > >
> > > > > Same as Reflection but without the s/e
> > > > >
> > > > > BT
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > Tracy Johnson
> > > > > MSI Schaevitz Sensors=3D20
> > > > >
> > > > > > -----Original Message-----
> > > > > > From: HP-3000 Systems Discussion 
> > > [mailto:[log in to unmask]]On
> > > > > > Behalf Of Johnson, Tracy
> > > > > > Sent: Monday, March 08, 2004 11:38 AM
> > > > > > To: [log in to unmask]
> > > > > > Subject: [HP3000-L] Display Function Behavior on 3 Emulators
> > > > > > Importance: Low
> > > > > >=3D20
> > > > > >=3D20
> > > > > > When using Display Functions on 3 HP terminal emulators 
> > > I get=3D20
> > > > > > three differing results when displaying the same file. =3D20
> > > > > >=3D20
> > > > > > The file is IFILE.FDATABAS a MANMAN file record #1. 
>  I'm using
> > > > > > two lines to represent non displayable characters to get my
> > > > > > point across.  Blanks are shown as blanks.
> > > > > >=3D20
> > > > > > Which is the proper representation? =3D20
> > > > > >=3D20
> > > > > > (I suppose I could have it display in Hex or Octal 
> > but that=3D20
> > > > > > would be too easy.)
> > > > > >=3D20
> > > > > > - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - -
> > > > > >=3D20
> > > > > > Reflection 1 ver 5.20:
> > > > > >=3D20
> > > > > > LSSSSC
> > > > > > FXEHXR
> > > > > >=3D20
> > > > > > - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - -
> > > > > >=3D20
> > > > > > Minisoft 92 ver 5.4:
> > > > > >=3D20
> > > > > > L S S    S C
> > > > > > F X H    X R
> > > > > >=3D20
> > > > > > - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - -
> > > > > >=3D20
> > > > > > QCTerm 2.1:
> > > > > >=3D20
> > > > > > LNS"SNNNNSNC
> > > > > > FUX HUUUUXUR
> > > > > >=3D20
> > > > > > - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - -
> > > > > >=3D20
> > > > > > BT
> > > > > >=3D20
> > > > > >=3D20
> > > > > > Tracy Johnson
> > > > > > MSI Schaevitz Sensors=3D20
> > > > > >=3D20
> > > > > > * To join/leave the list, search archives, change list 
> > > settings, *
> > > > > > * etc., please visit 
> > > http://raven.utc.edu/archives/hp3000-l.html *
> > > > > >=3D20
> > > > >
> > > 
> > > > > * To join/leave the list, search archives, change list 
> > settings, *
> > > > > * etc., please visit 
> http://raven.utc.edu/archives/hp3000-l.html *
> > > >
> > >=20
> > > * To join/leave the list, search archives, change list settings, *
> > > * etc., please visit http://raven.utc.edu/archives/hp3000-l.html *
> > >=20
> > 
> > * To join/leave the list, search archives, change list settings, *
> > * etc., please visit http://raven.utc.edu/archives/hp3000-l.html *
> > 
> 
> * To join/leave the list, search archives, change list settings, *
> * etc., please visit http://raven.utc.edu/archives/hp3000-l.html *
> 
> * To join/leave the list, search archives, change list settings, *
> * etc., please visit http://raven.utc.edu/archives/hp3000-l.html *
> 

* To join/leave the list, search archives, change list settings, *
* etc., please visit http://raven.utc.edu/archives/hp3000-l.html *

ATOM RSS1 RSS2