I don't MIND Real immigrants who come here, work hard, and become
testimonies to the American Dream of lore and proverb. When they get here,
the playing field is stacked in favor of the locals, but yet they STILL seem
to thrive. I LOVE immigrants. My gripe is with the H1-B, L-1, and
'virtual' border crossers that work for MUCH less than they are worth in the
American market. If there is ANY saving grace for the H1-B's and L-1's it
is that they MUST pay rent and buy food while they stay here to work (I'm
not sure about taxes for guest workers). (So far, no one's figured out how
to modem a plate of curried veggies and rice from Bangalore. Gee, that
makes me hungry.) But the VIRTUAL employees in India, China, and other
countries give NOTHING back to the American economy. They spend no money
here, they pay no taxes, they buy no souvenirs nor T-P at the local
Wal-mart. ZIP, NADA, NOTHING!. Capital flows ONLY ONE DIRECTION.
<<<-----OUT------>>>! And it DOESN'T COME BACK.
-----Original Message-----
From: Cornelius, Rosanne [mailto:[log in to unmask]]
Sent: Thursday, January 08, 2004 12:08 PM
To: [log in to unmask]
Subject: Re: [HP3000-L] OT: NYTimes.com Article: Op-Ed Contributor: Second
Thoughts on Free Trade
What happened to our American dream? Ohhhhh...the immigrants grabbed it and
ran away with it.....:-)) 3rd generation American here...
RC
-----Original Message-----
From: Richard Barker [mailto:[log in to unmask]]
Sent: Thursday, January 08, 2004 11:19 AM
To: [log in to unmask]
Subject: Re: [HP3000-L] OT: NYTimes.com Article: Op-Ed Contributor: Second
Thoughts on Free Trade
That's the beauty of Capitalism. All that matters is that the rich get
richer.
;-¬ >
-----Original Message-----
From: Michael Baier [mailto:[log in to unmask]]
Sent: 08 January 2004 14:57
To: [log in to unmask]
Subject: Re: [HP3000-L] OT: NYTimes.com Article: Op-Ed Contributor: Second
Thoughts on Free Trade
James,
and the reason is so "unique"
WASHINGTON (AP) -- Worried about possible government reaction to the
movement of U.S. technology jobs overseas, leading American computer
companies are defending recent shifts in employment to Asia and elsewhere as
necessary for future profits and warning policy makers against restrictions.
future profits. What its all about.
When I have to sell my shares of these companies to have some money, then
they know where to stick the "future profits". And as I said, cut the future
profits of the CxO's and they have lots of future profits.
Won't solve that problem but seems like this problem might be solved. SAN
FRANCISCO, California (AP) -- A publicity-shy Russian researcher who labors
in near-seclusion may have solved one of mathematics' oldest and most
abstruse problems, the Poincare Conjecture.
Michael
On Thu, 8 Jan 2004 08:41:26 -0500, James R. Reynolds
<[log in to unmask]> wrote:
>To go along with this (may be old news) HP, Dell and IBM are defending
>their practice of "Offshoring"....
>
>http://www.cnn.com/TECH/
>
>-----Original Message-----
>From: Michael Baier [mailto:[log in to unmask]]
>Sent: Thursday, January 08, 2004 8:36 AM
>To: [log in to unmask]
>Subject: Re: [HP3000-L] OT: NYTimes.com Article: Op-Ed Contributor:
>Second Thoughts on Free Trade
>
>
>Roshan,
>
>with more and more jobs going to India, we will buy nothing anymore,
>cause we have no jobs and no money and then? Hope soon the jobs for
>politicians and CxO's (CEO, CFO, CIO, CIA ;-)) are transfered too. Too
>many are overpaid and underskilled in those jobs here. At least yours
>are cheaper but not better.
>
>Michael
>
>On Wed, 7 Jan 2004 23:34:02 -0600, Roshan Shah <[log in to unmask]>
>wrote:
>
>> My perception is different..
>>
>>Well in America, the consumer buys product and thinks that just
>>because
>
>>(s)he has brought a product, the entire company ought to give him
>>support. Sometimes even the Americans who are answering the calls get
>>ticked off ( So do the Indians ) { I heard about it - I don't work in
>>/
>
>>manage a call centre }. Where is the value addition here ? The Call
>>Center Rep in US can't do anything because it is consumer who acts
>>like
>
>>a pest.
>>
>>Another View.. What happened in Iraq ? American Soldiers are
>>sacrificing lives.. At this moment everyone in America is concerned
>>about the deaths happening... Also India has refused to send the
>>troups
>
>>because there is risk involved...
>>
>>What if now America comes out with Green Cards/Immigration for Indians
>>who join American Forces to fight their enemies outside their
>>borders..
>
>>Will there be hue and Cry ?
>>
>>What India has is :
>>
>>a) Hard Working English Speaking( Better than China in Spoken English)
>>Intellectuals in Technical Area who usually work 12 hours a day with
>>better productivity and lower wages.. If such a American Worker is
>>there in America, he would be definitely promoted ( sometimes have
>>double promotion ) and grow up fast in organization.. The fact that
>>Americans enjoy life equally and want to maintain that standard in the
>>globally competitive changing scenario, means they have to find means
>>to create value in organization.. Outsourcing is one of the option and
>>the easiest one
>>
>>b) Manpower who cherish American Dream - India sees America as a dream
>>place to work maybe not just because of economy but because your laws,
>>regulations, facilities that a comman man enjoys, non corrupt
>>offcials,
>
>>transparency in system, equal opportunity for all.. Which is not the
>>case in India and it is getting worse here...
>>
>>America & Australia & Canada is capitulating on it and India is seeing
>>a Brain Drain currently... Good For America, Good for Good Indians
>>
>>D-Link may be one of the case but if it would have been so bad here,
>>the outsourcing would not have happened and would not be happening at
>>a
>
>>faster pace as it seems now..
>>
>>Roshan Shah
>>L&T Infotech
>>DID : 91-20-4049249
>>Cell : 91-9890129875
>>
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