Get a grip on yourself Michael.

Again your not presenting  the complete truth but only the part of a
statement that suits your need.

You are totally correct that 'Germany is a free democratic country without
"big brother"' and has no need for a big brother. But the USA is free to
move US troops to where ever they decide. Surely, Germany would not think
they need the USA troops.  In making that type of implied statement, then
you do the German people a grave disservice.

As for you desire to send a e-mail to the German chancellor, then you have
that choice. Go for it is what I say. Let me know his responce. I will not
hold my breath awaiting a reply.

> What about all the money for turkey?

Go back and read my past reply to this statement. No one is buying Turkeys
vote which i guess your trying to imply. The USA is offering to compensate
Turkey for the USE of their border to station troops. Turkey has counter
with their requirements. That is a bargining arrangement. Are you trying to
buy a vote when you bargin for a car.

 > I send you earlier an article in the Chicago Sunday-Times but you said,
> that it is a liberal paper that doesn't tell the truth.
> What newspapers do tell the truth and what truth?

Michael, again you need to get the facts correct.  I did state something to
the effect that newpaper was liberal. I also stated a large number of times
that I question the correctness and completness of ALL new media.  I NEVER
said that they dont tell the truth. Please DONT put words in my mouth that
were NEVER spoken.
Truth, when it comes to the new media, is only what they lead a person to
believe. The true object of the new media should be to report the facts as
they stand. Instead, the news media is less interested in the facts rather
than ratings. They have presents a strong tendency to report things in a
manner to gain increase ratings. Of course, these are only my honest
opinion, and not shared by the new media. But then again, I look at Dan
Rather who is so far to one side that he leans crooked. Also the Washington
Post also, but, then also look at O'Rielly. The same can be said about him
also.

As for the african counties, I just let history support my statement. I
didn't say that buying votes was right. Go back and read, and you will see
that I am totally opposed to buying votes. BTW, I never acknowledge that
African votes HAVE been purchased. Only that African countries sell.

 Again, I am willing to take this offline but only if you choose to do so.

----- Original Message -----
From: "Michael Baier" <[log in to unmask]>
To: "HP3000 List" <[log in to unmask]>; "Joe Andress"
<[log in to unmask]>
Sent: Friday, March 14, 2003 11:06 AM
Subject: Re: OT : US uses Indian 'threat' to force Pak support


> On Fri, 14 Mar 2003 09:05:05 -0600, joe andress
<[log in to unmask]>
> wrote:
>
> >
> >>>The US, UK, France, Germany all have plenty of dirt on their hands from
> >dealing with Saddam in the >>past.
> >
> >I agree with this statement. None are saints.
> >Any country that firmly believes that the US has violated a law, treaty
or
> >agreement so much to the point they wish military action to enforce that
> >law, treaty or agreement is well within their rights to do so. I dont
think
> >that any have done that to date.
> >
> >Finally, nothing in life is free. Countries which hold out their hand for
> >aid have to expect to give something in return. That include Germany.
BTW,
> >I have not seen in the media where the USA has firmly stated that they
will
> >withhold aid to any country.
> >
>
> What exactly and for how many years must Germany give something in return?
> I thought that Germany is a free democratic country without "big brother".
> Maybe I can send an e-mail to the German chancellor that he knows too,
what
> is expected of him.
>
>
> Of course the USA would never firmly state such things but how about
> reading between the lines? and there are many lines.
> http://www.cnn.com/2003/WORLD/africa/02/26/africa.iraq.ap/
> What about all the money for turkey?
> I send you earlier an article in the Chicago Sunday-Times but you said,
> that it is a liberal paper that doesn't tell the truth.
> What newspapers do tell the truth and what truth?
> You even send an earlier mail saying, that african votes can always be
> bought!!!
> Ok, that's not withholding but the same in other terms/words.

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