In message <[log in to unmask]>, [log in to unmask] writes
>In a message dated 9/22/02 2:53:41 PM Mountain Daylight Time,
>[log in to unmask] writes:
>
>> In message <[log in to unmask]>, Wirt Atmar
>>  <[log in to unmask]> writes
>>
>>  >An "upgrade" fee -- really a replacement fee -- will be
>>  >charged only when the user retires his PC. The license for the software
>> will
>>  >reside with the PC.
>>
>>  Stap me, Wirt. So every time I upgrade my Discman, I have to re-buy my
>>  whole collection of CDs?
>
>Not having a clue what "stap me, Wirt" means

'stap me' is an expression of surprise, commonly based upon a more
explicit expletive in less exalted company. 'Wirt' is, I hope, obvious
to you.

> or what a Discman is,

Google is your friend. But if you know what a Walkman is, then a Discman
is its CD-playing equivalent.

> I unfortunately can't answer that question. But it certainly sounds
>bad and we would never purposefully do anything to harm the user.

The point I was making, which I hoped not to have to labour, is that if
the record companies took your approach, any CD I bought would have to
be associated with a particular CD player, and likewise be discarded
when I discarded or replaced that player.

>Nonetheless, the license must ride with the PC, not the individual who
>purchased it. When you retire the PC (and the two follow-on PCs that we
>will give you free license to use), you will have to purchase a new
>license.

Yes, I know about the three goes. Softens the blow a bit....

>There's nothing new about this, especially to HP3000 users. These are the
>same rules that almost all HP3000-based software, such as Adager, QueryCalc,
>etc., now work under.

Well, I've never bought QueryCalc. But I can't think of a single piece
of 3rd party software that lives and dies with a particular piece of
hardware.
Not on the HP3000, not on Wintel boxes. Even M$ never came up with a
scheme like that, AFAIK.

Certainly, the last I heard, Alfredo wasn't even tier-charging; if you
had an Adager licence and you upgraded your machine, you just got your
copy validated for the new HPSUSAN instead of the old one.

Has something changed? No doubt his clarification is even now winging
our way.....

And while everybody has had a down on C*gn*s at some time or other about
the sometimes breathtaking costs of their upgrades when you ascend the
HP model range, I never heard that an existing user had to pay the same
as a new user on a particular platform. Not when the old machine wasn't
being retained......


I agree the issue is more emotive than real, but I think it *will* bring
a few potential users up short, who think that if they licence a piece
of software, it ought to work for them until they decide to stop using
it, or to upgrade the software (at possible $$). Not until they happen
to switch PCs.

I'm on my 4th PC since 1996. I'm sure glad I'm haven't had to buy four
copies of Paint Shop Pro in that time, just two upgrades. And those
weren't coterminous with PC switches.....

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Kelmscott Ltd     useful, or believe to be beautiful'  Wm Morris

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