All this could go on and on and on..... I decided to let John Leo put in my 2 cents worth at http://www.usnews.com/usnews/issue/020708/opinion/8john.htm ... enjoy. Tom Hula Victor S. Barnes Company * To join/leave the list, search archives, change list settings, * * etc., please visit http://raven.utc.edu/archives/hp3000-l.html *