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Ken Hirsch <[log in to unmask]>
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Thu, 30 May 2002 11:19:32 -0400
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Richard Barker wrote:

> Hmmmm
>
> Is this meant to be a joke.
>
> So basically it's ok to murder a number of completely innocent people to
try
> and prevent someone becoming a suicide bomber.  Interesting idea, maybe we
> should try this in America.  Anyone who commits Murder should have there
> entire family executed.  Just imagine your Cousin who you haven't even
met,
> decided to get drunk and runs someone over, oh well, it's only fair that
you
> and your children should be executed as a result.
>
> How about examining why so many people feel so passionately against the
> west, to resort to killing themselves to kill others.
> Unfair and unjust actions of the west (specifically the US) only cause to
> motivate normal people to become terrorists.
>
> The American government is responsible for the training and supplying of
> arms to Iraq and Afghanistan, because at the time Iraq was fighting Iran
and
> Afghanistan was fighting Russia.  Maybe the US should examine it's own
> policies, before declaring a war on terrorism, a situation that it
created.

(1) The U.S. did NOT arm or train Iraq's military.
(2) The U.S. did arm and train fighters against the Soviet invasion of
Afghanistan, including Osama bin Laden, but I fail to see how that made him
hate us.  Nor did the U.S. government train him to hijack airplanes.
(3) The reasons that bin Laden gives for attacking the U.S. are
   (a) the U.S. supports Israel and
   (b) the U.S. has non-Muslim "infidel" troops on Saudi Arabian territory.
(4) The reason so many people hate the U.S. is because we have an active
rather than isolationist foreign policy.  You will always make somebody mad
when you intervene in the world.  People blame you for things you do and
things you don't do.  Everything seems to be your fault when you're in
charge. In the short term an isolationist foreign policy would reduce enmity
against the U.S., but it has been tried before with dire long-term results.
(5) For example, why are U.S. troops in Saudi Arabia?  Because Iraq invaded
Kuwait.  Should we have done nothing or just joined U.N. sanctions against
Iraq (look at how successful those have been)?  By now Sadam Hussein would
have had nuclear weapons and have effective control over the entire Persian
Gulf.  I'm skeptical that that would be a better situation than what we have
now.


All you have said is "America did X; people hate America; therefore anytime
people attack America it's our own fault."  I find the chain of logic less
than compelling.

Ken Hirsch

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