Jeff Kell wrote:

> Now hang on, I didn't change the [HP3000-L] business, that was a side
> effect of editcorp.com's gateway fix.  It is possible that they are
> passing RTF back to the list from the newsfeed (haven't checked into
> this in detail, it's been a busy few days).  Check the headers of the
> messages to see if they are "newsgroup" messages or list messages.
>
<snip>

  I'm not saying we're not causing this (I knew bringing the gateway
up seemed too easy :), but we kicked the gateway in on the afternoon
of June 30th.  Is that when the "affected" messages started showing up?
As far as tracing where a message came from, we tag each message
transfered in 'from' the newsgroup to HP3000-L with an X header of:
"X-ORGANIZATION: e3000.org".  Likewise, if we transfer a message in
from HP3000-L to the newsgroup, we set the "Organization" field to
"e3000.org".  We use this to make sure that we do not get ourselves
into a posting loop between the two.

I went back to the beginning of this thread and at that time, Greg
Stigers mentioned:

>X-no-Archive:yes
>For some reason, I have started seeing a number of messages where the lines
>are terminating with equal signs, sometimes followed by "20", which I can't
>say I care for. For instance, in the "e-commerce in hype-rdrive thread",
>Wyell Grunwald's message came to me with lines terminating with equal
signs,
>but when his posting was quoted in Al Karman's reply, it did not contain
>these equal signs. None of the other traffic I am receiving from anywhere
>else has shown this behavior so far. FWIW, I am using Outlook 98. Is anyone
>else seeing this?

The message Greg quoted was sent directly into HP3000-L by Wyell and
not transfered in from the gateway.  I've included the headers from the
copy I received below.  You can read "backwards" through the 'Received:'
headers to see the path that the message took and notice that it had not
seen the gateway yet (or else you would see the previously mentioned
X-header:

>Received: from raven.utc.edu [208.45.211.16] by editcorp.com
[216.229.69.131]
>       with SMTP (MDaemon.v2.8.7.3.R)
>       for <[log in to unmask]>; Mon, 10 Jul 2000 14:21:15 -0500
>Received: from raven (raven.utc.edu) by raven.utc.edu (LSMTP for Windows NT
v1.1b) with SMTP id ><[log in to unmask]>; Mon, 10 Jul 2000
15:21:00 -0400
>Received: from RAVEN.UTC.EDU by RAVEN.UTC.EDU (LISTSERV-TCP/IP release
1.8d)
>          with spool id 32307 for [log in to unmask]; Mon, 10 Jul 2000
>          15:20:59 -0400
>Received: from NCRGWIANW1.psghs.edu (11-44nat.geisinger.edu) by
raven.utc.edu
>          (LSMTP for Windows NT v1.1b) with SMTP id
<[log in to unmask]>;
>          Mon, 10 Jul 2000 15:10:58 -0400
>Received: from GOLDENGATE-Message_Server by NCRGWIANW1.psghs.edu with
>          Novell_GroupWise; Mon, 10 Jul 2000 15:10:45 -0400
>X-Mailer: Novell GroupWise Internet Agent 5.5.3.1
>Mime-Version: 1.0
>Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII
>Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
>Content-Disposition: inline
>Message-ID:  <[log in to unmask]>
>Date:         Mon, 10 Jul 2000 15:10:34 -0400
>Reply-To:     Wyell Grunwald <[log in to unmask]>
>Sender:       HP-3000 Systems Discussion <[log in to unmask]>
>From:         Wyell Grunwald <[log in to unmask]>
>Subject: Re: [HP3000-L] e-commerce in hype-rdrive
>To:           [log in to unmask]
>X-MDaemon-Deliver-To: [log in to unmask]
>X-Return-Path: [log in to unmask]
>X-MBF-FILE: MDaemon Gateway to RFC822 (RFC822.MBF v1.0)

One thing I do notice, (in referring back to Chris Bartram's message about
quoted printable messages), is that Wyell's message "is" quoted printable,
and was using the 'US-ASCII' character set.  Al Karman's reply (as well
as Greg's messages) are all using the 'iso-8859-1' character set.  Is it
therefore possible that the problem messages are using a character set
other than "iso-8859-1"???

  I'll gladly look into the gateway code if someone can point me to a
few messages that exhibit this problem, but at this point I don't
nessarily believe it is a newsgroup/gateway/HP3000-L problem at all,
but rather the encoding of the original message and how it is being
treated by the various email clients.  For what its worth, I do not
see the extraneous formatting characters when I'm reading HP3000-L
mail (that's why I need someone to point them out to me :).  I'm
using Microsoft Outlook 2000 (9.0.0.2711).

Regards,
Michael L Gueterman
Easy Does It Technologies
http://www.editcorp.com
voice: 888-858-3348 (EDIT) or 573-368-5478
fax:   573-368-5479
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