Hi Denys, I think you're right on an ultra scsi peripheral will slow down to
the slowest link i.e. the HP3000 SCSI adapter card.  Someone in the SCSI
business, had that confirmed to me last year.

Jean Huot
Northern Credit Bureaus Inc.

----- Original Message -----
From: "Denys Beauchemin" <[log in to unmask]>
To: <[log in to unmask]>
Sent: Friday, May 19, 2000 12:24 PM
Subject: Re: 12H Array


> I have been looking at this answer for a while now and I must say, I do
not
> understand it.
>
> "The Bus Controller is still FWSCSI to the host, but Ultra SCSI to the
disk
> devices. How's that for backwards? :)"
>
> Now, how is that for confusing.  I do not believe there is such a thing as
> "appearing as a FWSCSI to the host." My understanding of SCSI is that the
host
> adapter hides the SCSI stuff from the system.  The adapter takes care of
> talking to the disc drives and other devices without ever bothering the
CPU.
>  So there really is no such thing as appearing as an Ultra-SCSI or as a
> differential or single-ended SCSI to the CPU.  I believe that apart from
Wide
> VS Narrow, there really is no difference.
>
> On the other hand, you can attach any type of SCSI devices together
(provided
> they are either all differential or all single-ended or all LVD.)  The
chain
> will run at the speed of the slowest peripheral.  So you can have a
regular FW
> SCSI device in a chain with Ultra SCSI-3 devices, but overall the speed
will be
> the speed of the FW device.  So in your example, yes, you can plug in
Ultra160
> SCSI devices to you FW adapter, and they will run at regular FW speeds,
not the
> other way around.
>
> Kind regards,
>
> Denys. . .
>
> Denys Beauchemin
> HICOMP
> (800) 323-8863  (281) 288-7438         Fax: (281) 355-6879
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>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From:   Mark Landin [SMTP:[log in to unmask]]
> Sent:   Friday, May 19, 2000 8:32 AM
> To:     [log in to unmask]
> Subject:        Re: 12H Array
>
> On Thu, 18 May 2000 17:28:02 -0400, Donna Garverick
> <[log in to unmask]> wrote:
>
> >Dennis Heidner wrote:
> >
> >> The HVD10, is a dual bus box like the HAAS, with redundant fans, power
> >> suppies, etc, but it also has 10 hot swappable, slots instead of 8, and
> >> it supports the newer faster (30%) SCSI Ultra-Wide drives, with
zillions
> >> of bytes of storage.
> >
> >but mpe doesn't do ultra-wide.....          - d
>
> The Bus Controller is still FWSCSI to the host, but Ultra SCSI to the
> disk devices. How's that for backwards? :) However, you can replace
> the FWSCSI controller with an Ultra controller and all-of-a-sudden you
> have an SC10, not an HVD10.
>
> I wish SOMEBODY made something faster than FWSCSI for the 9x9 systems
> (and the K- and D- class HSC systems on the 9000 side). I'm having
> this very discussion over on comp.sys.hp.hpux. The options are few ...
> as in zero, as far as I know.
>