A session will start after normal shutdowns without a SYSSTART file. A good
reason for adding a "STARTSESS" to a SYSSTART file is to use a different
logon at the console.
We use on that excludes capabilities like SM,OP,PM. This prevents the
console to be used interactively for running stores,restores and any other
interactive SM function. Basicly setting up a DUMB device that just scrolls
messages. The console "when needed for anything" should be used by
experienced users
only. It's a very useful setup.

----- Original Message -----
From: Johnson, Tracy <[log in to unmask]>
To: <[log in to unmask]>
Sent: Monday, May 08, 2000 2:54 PM
Subject: Re: sysstart question


> I'm under the impression that starting the computer
> by default automatically invokes a logon at the console,
> therefore, a STARTSESS command in SYSSTART seems to be
> redundant, and probably won't work because the default
> logon is already at OPERATOR.SYS the console to begin with,
> and hence, has already logged on.
>
> If you'd want the console to start with a session name
> of CONSOLE, you'd have to work it in your START command
> such as:
>
> START NORECOVERY LOGON=CONSOLE,OPERATOR.SYS
>
> (The NOWAIT and HIPRI are also unneccessary in this instance.)
>
> However, having always been in small shops for the
> last 10 years or so, I've never actually "had" an operator
> in my employ, per se.  There was usually something extra
> that the OPERATOR couldn't do so I usually ended up logging
> off and logging back on as MANAGER.SYS or running the
> GOD program.  What's the point of using OPERATOR anymore?
> So I changed the above to suit my purposes and START
> the computer with:
>
> START NORECOVERY LOGON=CONSOLE,MANAGER.SYS
>
> Additionally, one could substitute this as their AUTOBOOT
> file.
>
> This is not intended to abrogate the use of OPERATOR.SYS
> in large shops where it may be necessary for security
> reasons.
>
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: Erik Vistica [mailto:[log in to unmask]]
> > Sent: Monday, May 08, 2000 2:06 PM
> > To: [log in to unmask]
> > Subject: Re: sysstart question
> >
> >
> > In a SYSSTART file there are several 'modules' (or sections). The
> > general purpose 'STARTUP' which is executed no matter what
> > kind of start
> > you do and the specific module (WARMSTART = start recovery,
> > COOLSTART =
> > start norecovery, etc).
> >
> > Do you have just the STARTUP module?
> >
> > If not, then I believe you will need the STARTSESS command at
> > the end of
> > each of the specific modules (depending on when you want the logon to
> > take place). It sounds like the STARTSESS command is not
> > being seen (as
> > though it is not in the STARTUP module nor the COOLSTART module, but
> > rather in some other specific module) and the default logon for
> > OPERATOR.SYS is being done instead.
> >
> > The System Startup, Configuration, and Shutdown Reference
> > Manual on page
> > 3-13 thru 3-15 (in my version anyway) discusses SYSSTART.
> >
> > HTH
> >
> > Donna Garverick wrote:
> > >
> > > hi all!
> > >
> > > i've got a curiosity.  the following is the last line from a
> > > sysstart file....
> > >
> > > STARTSESS 20;CONSOLE,OPERATOR.SYS;NOWAIT;HIPRI
> > >
> > > (note -- no imbedded passwords!)
> > >
> > > ...so the system gets rebooted (start norecovery)....the
> > > sysstart file gets run...the session is started on the
> > > console for the operator...the system prompts for a
> > > password....type in the password....watch the operator logon
> > > *and* immediately get logged off because of:
> > >
> > > if rtrim("!hpjobname") = ""
> > >   echo ERROR: A session name must be supplied
> > >   echo        Logon denied
> > >   continue
> > >   bye
> > >   eoj
> > > endif
> > >
> > > (the last few lines of the system logon udc)  huh?  clearly
> > > 'console' is part of the startsess line.  what's happening
> > > to the session (aka hpjobname) name?  rather annoying to say
> > > the least <hrump>           - d
> > >
> > > --
> > > Donna Garverick     Sr. System Programmer
> > > 925-210-6631        [log in to unmask]
> > >
> > > >>>MY opinions, not Longs Drug Store's<<<
> >
> >