In my opinion the thing that kills 3000s is not time but os upgrade
complexity.  The manual for version 6.5 upgrade is about 1" thick.  Can I
give this to a plant manager who currently just changes the tapes for each
nightly backup and ask him to upgrade the os?  No way.  For his NT server it
is put in the cd and update.   As a result of this systems go on older and
older version of the OS and then die.  Why can we not make it simpler to
patch and update systems?

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Larry Simonsen                Phone: 801-489-2450
Flowserve Corporation     Fax: 801-491-1750
PO Box 2200                    http://www.Flowserve.com
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All opinions expressed herein are my own and reflect, in no way, those of my
employer.

 -----Original Message-----
From:   Graham, Robert [mailto:[log in to unmask]]
Sent:   Thursday, April 27, 2000 1:25 PM
To:     [log in to unmask]
Subject:        Re: HP3000's Future?

Man, this is a little bit like asking God to examine the books!

In my humble opinion, the HP3000 has survived everything HP could do to kill
it (short of coming simply ceasing production) for one reason and one reason
only...it is quite simply the most stable and friendly business computing
platform extant today.  No one has yet built anything that can compare.  NT?
fugedaboudit!  IBM? The AS400 came close, but no cigar.  The 9000? Closer,
but still no contest.

The HP3k is like that silly little rabbit...it just keeps on going and going
and....

Having said all that, I also believe the HP3k's days are numbered.  It isn't
sexy and new and glitzy, despite HP's silly attempt at hipping it up by
jumping on the "e" bandwagon, and can't shake the "legacy" attachment (what
the heck does "legacy" mean, anyway?   Old?).

Be a darn shame when it disappears, but then all us "old" things die off
eventually.

Bob Graham
Director of Applications Programming


"...for I am become Death, the destroyer of worlds..." - Quotation from
the "Rig Veda" that occured to Dr. J. Robert Oppenheimer, 5:29:45 am,
July 16th, 1945, Trinity Site, New Mexico.


-----Original Message-----
From: Randy Keefer
Sent: Thursday, April 27, 2000 12:57 PM
To: [log in to unmask]
Subject: HP3000's Future?


I was just wondering what your opinion of the future of the HP3000 series.
I have been on it since 1977 and truly love the system.  I have seen it
decline in the 90s as it was replaced by "better" systems (mostly
client-server).  In the past year, I have seen 4 companies reverse direction
after discovering that client-server is slow, unreliable, and high-cost to
maintain.  Amisys is the latest.  They have dumped there non-HP version due
to lack of interest from customers.  I just wanted to hear other people's
feeling for the future.

Thanks,

Randy Keefer, Consultant
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