Next vendors will say by using the "free forum" helps keep their costs
down.  While I spend my time screening these emails.


--
Larry Barnes
Director of MIS
Mitek Corp.
4545 E. Baseline Rd.
Phoenix, AZ 85040
(602) 438-4545 ext. 1366
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ALBERT KARMAN wrote:

> Forgive me, Wirt, for thinking you've a bit too much time on your hands.
> Examining a posting fully before launching a missive on those topics
> near and dear to you would provide additional perspective.
>
> The vendors aren't 'users', folks...they're vendors who've chosen this
> (free) forum to advertise.
>
> The list server participants ('users') have ample opportunities to learn
> all about fabulous vendor offerings via somewhat more traditional
> advertising vehicles (that cost $$$)!
>
> I stand by my (somewhat unpopular) position of reminding vendors that
> this free forum seems, at times, to be less an interchange of HP3000
> thoughts, ravings, etc., and more ads.
>
> Al Karman
> Senior Operations Analyst
> Administrative Management Group
> 847.870.9288
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>
> "WARNING:  All e-mail sent to or from this address will be received by
> The Administrative Management Group Inc. corporate e-mail system and is
> subject to archive, monitoring or review by, and/or disclosure to,
> someone other than the recipient."
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Wirt Atmar [mailto:[log in to unmask]]
> Sent: Friday, January 14, 2000 9:46 AM
> To: [log in to unmask]
> Subject: Re: Minisoft 92 for Java
>
> James writes in reply to Larry:
>
> > Yes.. I did notice that, One if the reason I mentioned it. For the
> 3000's
> > sake, I really don't think we should ban the from short
> Advertisements..
> > After all they are part of the 3000's community as well.
>
> Hell's bells, the vendors ARE (and WERE) the HP3000 community. If it
> weren't
> the actions of a number of the vendors during the worst times of the
> HP3000,
> I'm absolutely sure that there wouldn't be an HP3000 now. These are the
> same
> people who wrote letters, gave talks, crusaded across the country, and
> repeatedly pestered Lew Platt and others until there was at least a
> glimmer
> of a turnaround in HP's corporate thinking.
>
> And they did this at their own expense, knowing full well that no
> individual
> user could possibly muster the resources to make as much noise, in as
> sustained a manner, as they could. And they remember full well that in
> the
> early days, the response from HP was a long series of dismissive
> statements
> saying that they're just a bunch of vendors who are trying to save their
> own
> asses.
>
> Al's comment that ".....the abuse of this forum by 'vendors' seems to
> have no
> end in sight!" is as foolish as it is shortsighted. Firstly, the "abuse"
> seems almost non-existent to me. Secondly, it is in my best interests,
> and
> yours too, to know what the development community (other than HP) are
> doing.
> The announcement of a Java-based terminal is an important bit of news to
> the
> HP3000. It brings another option to your choices as to how you approach
> your
> job and tasks.
>
> Rather than discourage such announcements, they should be very much
> encouraged, for all the reasons that James previously mentioned. Without
> these continuing developments, there won't be an HP3000 in anyone's
> future.
> Things are far better than they were just 10 years ago, but they are by
> no
> means secure. An active, healthy product development community is
> absolutely
> essential to the HP3000's future.
>
> Wirt Atmar