Mr. Renz:  You were VERY VERY DISRESPECTFUL to Dr. Dumas and the rest of
the Raven readers with your useless curse words.  I try not to use curse
words as much as possible, but you caused me to read them.  If you don't
like the lively email discussion then why in the "heck" are you
participating?  Why not use your delete button?

1.  We are NOT attacking the Lebos personally, we are questioning the
"package deal."  Mr. Lebo's credentials and expertise may just well turn
the basketball team into a main event.  We have a right to question a $14,
583.33 monthly salary that equals a lower paid UTC employee's YEARLY entry
level salary on this campus.

2.  You must not be a native Chattanoogan.  I can't recall having read such
a disrespectful email since the "birth" of email on our campus.

3. Have you not read the email etiquette policy?  Where is the Email Police
when you need them?

4. I am insulted that you caused me to read your email full of curse
words.  Dr. Dumas and the rest of the Raven readers deserve an apology for
your disrespectful and hateful words.  I know you may not care.

5.  Is this how you motivate people to attend events at the Fine Arts Center?

6.  Thank you Dr. Stacy for clarifying how the Lebos compensation package
works (by donations, etc.)  During this horrible budget season throughout
the State of TN and Chattanooga (schools, neighborhoods, etc.) it's hard to
swallow good news like the Lebos' package deal.  It's hard to understand
and accept salary increases/promotions for the same employees year after
year when we are asked to work harder for less.  It's just HARD, but
everyday I thank GOD for my employment here at UTC for almost 23yrs.

7.  I pray the Chattanoogans with the money will one day open an account
with the University and donate and designate millions for faculty and staff
salaries ONLY!

8.  I see nothing wrong with both sides of the coin speaking out and
discussing issues.  We can agree to disagree and still work for the
University's mission, etc., etc., etc.  When you curse people out, you
cause a "hostile" working environment!  Think about it.

Just a Staff employee with almost 23yrs at UTC!  Now that's dedication!

P.S.    No need to respond back except for your apology.

Thank you.

At 04:39 PM 4/26/02 -0400, KimEdwardRenz wrote:
>Dear Dr. J (a basketball reference, if you didn't notice),
>
>Do you want the Lebos to feel like they are part of this University? Some
>used to say they take pride in UTC because it working here is like
>belonging to a family. All of the bitching and moaning about a damned car
>that someone outside the University pays for is a waste of time, energy and
>money. Have you any idea how many people in the United States make more
>money in salary and incentives than the President?
>
>Back to the game:
>
>Considering the fact that humans don't learn from the past and are destined
>to repeat it, should we be questioning the need for a history department
>next?
>
>With calculators replacing basic math skills, why do we bother teaching
>calculus? Will pocket protectors become obsolete, if no one knows how to
>use a slide rule?
>
>Why should the average student care what the inside of a frog looks like...
>unless he plans to eat it?
>
>Seems to me we are better served in arguing to keep programs in remedial
>classes, as many of our students don't speak or write the King's English.
>"Are you doing good?" "Me and my friend's going to the bar for a beer
>later. You want to come with he and I?"
>
>How many engineering and computer science majors did we graduate last year?
>You might want to check out the THEC recommendation about that.
>
>I hope everyone will pardon the language I have spewed for the sake of
>illustrating how ridiculous this conversation is becoming. I promise to
>restrain myself on the subject in the future, if Dr. Dumas promises to
>stick to the merits of academic and auxiliary programs and to stay out of
>other people's salaries and the bike lane.
>
>K
>
>  At 03:20 PM 4/26/02 -0400, Dr. Joe Dumas wrote:
> >Claire McCullough wrote:
> >
> >> I have taught at a university that had no football.  Maybe it's a Southern
> >> thing, but somehow, the homecoming hockey game left me feeling
> >> uninspired....
> >
> >
> >Our money- and game-losing football team is hardly inspirational itself,
> >IMHO.
> >
> >Anyway, since we have spent all this money (Lexans?) for a world-class
> >basketball coach (plus wife, cars, etc.) why don't we have homecoming at
> >a basketball game.  Surely they will be on their way to the Final Four
> >every year, so we will likely be on the winning side of the annual
> >homecoming blowout, rather than the side that the perennially
> >underachieving football team is likely to be on.
> >
> >And if we have to have a football game for homecoming, it would probably
> >be a lot cheaper to hire buses and send all the interested students to
> >UTK's homecoming game instead.  We probably already have more students
> >(and alumni) who go to theirs than ours.
> >
> >If UTK's homecoming is sold out, we can send them to Vanderbilt's ...
> >I'm sure they have plenty of room in the stands.  Vandy will probably
> >lose their homecoming, but our students will be used to that.
> >
> >Of course, we can always try to upgrade UTC's football team by spending
> >a few more Lexans ... just remember that they won't be provided by THEC
> >any more.  I hope all the folks who want to keep football will be the
> >first ones to reach for their checkbooks and send in a Lexan or two.
> >
> >
> >> I think this all comes down to the larger debate as to whether we want
>to be
> >> what I would call a "full service" university, where students have many
> >> opportunities outside class for fellowship, camaraderie, discussion,
> >> expansion of worldview...(and yes, I believe football, as well as music,
> >> theater, student organizations, etc. all have a part in that), or a
>commuter
> >> campus where students come only for classes.  If we choose to go the
> >> commuter route (as many schools do), our students may be very well trained
> >> in the areas of their courses, but I would not feel that they had gotten
>the
> >> true education I believe they deserve.
> >
> >
> >I think the commuter school status is pretty much the actual existing
> >state of affairs, whether we like it or not.  Most of the students don't
> >avail themselves of the music, theater, student organizations, and least
> >of all the football games, available now.  Why not try something
> >different (and less expensive) ... we're trying to get them to park at
> >Engel Stadium anyway, why not give them something to watch on the way to
> >and from their cars.  If they're not interested in watching baseball as
> >a spectator sport, they can try dodging foul balls in the parking lot as
> >a participant sport :)
> >
> >Joe
> >
>Kim Edward Renz
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