. On Thu, 14 Mar 2002 14:04:16 -0500 Reef Fish wrote:

> Ha! Now it's YOUR turn to get it straightened out with Michael Levy
> whether "in the pool" IS REQUIRED.  Michael wrote, to Mark Goldsmith,
> on his "faulty memory recollection" of doing it in the pool,

To be precise my point was it is also a requirement in open water.

> ML> Both Instructors violated standards.... it is a required skill
> ML> in open water, both divers to be wearing full scuba gear for the
> ML> local environment. The shop should be informed, in fact PADI
> ML> should be informed..
>
> While that statement leaves it ambiguous whether BOTH pool AND "in
> open water" are required, it doesn't seem to make any sense of

Not when my comments were only dealing with Mark's statement that it was
not done in open water.

> REQUIRING a towing in a pool -- since there are certifying environments
> where all "in water" skills are done WITHOUT a pool -- I am pretty sure
> of THIS (Cozumel, e.g.), even though there are plenty of pools in
> hotels in Cozumel, for tourists to bath and sun.  :-)

PADI open water certification format requires skills to be done in the
pool first (confined water really, can also be from shore of lake or
ocean too) though not all confined skills are repeated in open water
(i.e. swim u/w on scuba with mask off, etc:).

I'm not going to get into the definition of confined water here. :-)
Pool is used as the lay persons description but as you touched on here
it can be elsewhere too.

> So, are PADI OW students REQUIRED to pass skills of tired-diver towing
> BOTH (a) in a pool, AND (b) in open water?

Both must be done, more than one method in the pool only one student
selected method in open water.

Hopefully things are clearer on at least this requirement. ;-)

Michael
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