On Wed, 27 Mar 2002 23:05:07 -0500, Harold Pritchett <[log in to unmask]> wrote:


>
>I haven't read all of the posts in this thread yet, but I feel we need a
>few terms defined.


Harold, my faith in you has been amply supported by your post.  What you
said is basically a summary of the standard terminology in LISTSERV
Manuals, given in an unabridged reference, in an earlier post of mine
which you probably haven't had time to read, for you to have written
what you wrote!


>Private vs public refers to who can join the list.  If a list is public
>then anyone can subscribe by simply sending a request to the listserv.
>If a list is private, then those requests are returned as denied.  There
>is another option in listserv called "by owner" where the requests are
>automatically forwarded to the list owner or owners who can then with
>a single command grant or deny the request.
>
>Open vs closed refers to who can send mail to the list.  If a list is
>open, then anyone can send mail to it.  If it is closed, then only
>people subscribed to the list can send mail to it.  If you have
>multiple e-mail addresses you wish to be able to post from, then you
>have to subscribe all of them to the list, setting all but the one
>where you wish to receive your mail to "NOMAIL"
>
>There is another option referred to as "moderated"  in this case, all
>mail sent to the list is forwarded to a "moderator" who can then approve
>the mail or reject it.  It is also sometimes referred to an "edited"
>list.
>
>Listserv lets us set up a special case called "self-moderated"
>where all the members of the list are set up as moderators or editors.
>Moderators posts go out automatically, posts from non moderators will
>then be forwarded to a moderator for approval.  To do this, use the
>following listserv keywords:
>
>* Send= Editor,hold
>* Editor= [log in to unmask],(SCUBA-SE)
>
>So, if the list is set up this way, then all subscribers posts go
>out normally, but a post by a non subscriber will go to the email
>address [log in to unmask] to be approved.  The ,hold parameter
>tells listserv to hold the post and just require a simple OK to
>let it go out.
>
>I recommend this self moderated setup, with the list being open
>subscription.

Which WAS the way Scuba-L and Scuba-SE were originally set up.

Scuba-SE has been, and will be, (unless for good reasons to make it
"closed" or "private" in the LISTSERV sense, of which I've heard
NONE) a PUBLIC, OPEN Discussion Forum that is SELF-REGULATED (not
moderated) by all its participating members.

Spammers in newsgroups and lists LOSE more business they can
imagine by people BOYCOTTING the operations for which they spam!
That's the purest form of "self regulation".  There needs to be
no bureaucracy, committee, or silly "strikes" to regulate misbahavior
in any OPEN forum!  That's the way 10s of thousands of LISTSERV
Lists have been operating for DECADES!

>Questions?
>
>Harold

Done any dives lately?   :-)

-- Bob.