Reef Fish wrote:

> RF > In above-water swim without fins (crawl stroke for speed), the
actions
> RF > are in the ARMS and SHOULDERS -- you simply drag your legs along.

> That's a simple statement for EMPHASIS (contrasting ARMS and SHOULDERS
> vs LEGS) based on (a) my own training in collegiate competitive swimming,
> (b) observing the strokes of the Olympic swimmers (as Chuck did), and
> (c) CURRENT empirical/scientific knowledge about the Crawl!

It is incorrect, regardless of your purpose in saying it.

> Lee > This is not be relevant to the point being made,

> Then you could have saved your superior knowledge about the Crawl
> for a swimming LIST when the "technique" is of prime concern, or until
> your comment is relevant to the point being made.

1. If it was not worth posting, it was not worth your responding to either.
When you have taken care of all the things you "should" you might be in a
better position to tell others what they should post.
2. You are not the judge of what I should or should not post any more than
you tolerate others telling you what you should or should not post.
3. I am a certified Water Safety Instructor with experience both as a
lifeguard and as a swimming instructor.  Make of that what you will.  If you
have information and comparable qualifications, feel free to present them.

Ad Hominum attack by someone who can't attack the message deleted.  Note
that my statement was not only not directed at you, it did not even include
your name.  There was no attack on you, simply the incorrect statement.
That was not an accident.

> Now let's hear from an EXPERT and SCIENTIST on the crawl stroke:

Good idea.  here you go.

Robert Delfs wrote:
> The importance of the kick relative to the arm stroke varies among
> swimmers and - for a swimmer who competes in multiple events - by
> distance.  It's true that some long distance swimmers barely move their
> legs except to keep them at the right attitude, but others rely on the
> kick for at least some driving power.  For sprinters (and these days
> that includes everything up to 400 meters), and especially shorter
> distance sprints (e.g., 100 m), the kick is extremely important and
> provides a great deal of driving power.

Brad Strambaugh wrote:

As a former member of the swim team, (city and college), I'll say that
Robert's description of the freestyle is accurate.

These are first hand statements by two individuals who appear to have the
qualifications to respond rather than cut and pasted out of context comments
added by someone who can't admit when he's made a mistake even when it's a
side issue to his primary point.  I've shared my qualifications and my
statement.

If you, personally, have something to say about the accuracy of my
statement, Roberts or Brad's, along with a description of your credientials
on the subject, I'd be happy to hear them.  When I want to read what others
have to say, I'll go to the source.

Lee