On Saturday, April 28, 2001 7:45 AM, Kuty wrote:

(snip)

> Well, I tried it in real life and it worked only to slow the ascent but
not
> to abort it.  She was a very strong and determined lady :-)  Looking in
her
> eyes did not do the trick.  She was somewhere else :-)

G'Day, Kuty!  I know this is going to attract a lot of criticism <BWG>, but
when all else fails - and the victim looks big and strong - I've always
found a good punch in the guts to be a wonderful pacifier!  :-)

(At the very least it causes them to expel air and reduce any risk of
embolism should they manage to escape!)  :-)

(snip)
> >I can immediately recall three occasions when I've had to do this for
> >real.  On each occasion, the panic has been brought under control fairly
> >quickly and allowed us a fairly comfortable ascent.  Although I've only
> >had to once while using a long hose,  it did seem to me to be far easier
> >to establish control and take command of the situation.  :-)

> The one time I did it with an OOA I was glad there was no long hose.  I
> still had only one secondary (before my era of an octo)  and my buddy did
> not want to give it back, after taking a few breaths.  Alas, she couldn't
> get away with it ;-)  so I managed to get my share until we got to the
> surface.

Kuty!  You obviously learned to buddy breathe properly and knew what to do.
A lot of people became very proficient with *how* to buddy breathe, but in
concentrating on the procedure neglected to ascend.  (Something that still
happens regularly in OOA situations, even when using an AAS, and that
results in a fatality!)

Strike