Reef Fish wrote:

> >> Charlie and all Clueless Newbies in Scuba groups, it would serve you
> >> well to start with this "internet roadmap" and MAP07 on "NETIQUETTE"
> >
> >It would seem to me that all of us pots (I'll include myself in this
group
> >too) could do with a bit of reading this site before calling kettles
black.
>
> When you say "all of us" you have ALREADY included youself.  I take
> exception to you putting me in that membership.  I don't fit the
> definition/description of a "complete idiot" nor a "clueless newbie".
> If I did, your "pot calling kettle black" usage would have been correct.

I was referring to those who have been known to violate Netiquette, not
necessarily idiots or newbies.  I think we can agree that we've both been
guilty on occasion.

> He didn't suggest it, but since the term IS in standard usage, why AVOID
> it when someone fits the description/prescription perfectly?

I'm sure there's something in the document about name calling and
intentional insults, not that I'm saying that this is what you were doing in
your netiquette post.  In fact, I found your comments to be a rather gentile
way to address a rather touchy subject.

> Did you not check out the HUNDREDS of webpages illustrated the usage?
> Why aren't those all BANNED by Listserv?  Why are the ISP allowing
> those to be there?  Why?  WHy?  Why?   If you think about it but a
> nanosecond, you'll appreciate better the DEPTH of Nick's absurdity
> by (a) banning me, and (b) whine to my Yahoo ISP and [log in to unmask]
> for having used "clueless" in my post.  <GASP>

This is another matter entirely.  You know how I feel about censorship and I
don't need to think for even a nanosecond regarding either the ban or a
message to your ISP.  In fact, I don't agree with Nick's assessment of much
of what you had to say on Scuba-L.  I apologize for saying that I find
Nick's reaction to your recent post not only censorship, but censorship not
even based on a reasonable application of unreasonable rules.  He's gone
from making rules to twisting them to suit his own bias.  Hmmm, maybe not.
He made them to suit his own bias in the first place.  At any rate, if I
were Yahoo, I think my reaction might be something like "who the hell is
this complete idiot.  Must be a clueless newbie."

Lee