Ray, I know exactly how you feel. I feel the same way. But I felt it harder when fathers lost sons in the Twin Towers.

The insurgents and self-proclaimed martys don't care where they commit their despicable acts. I'd rather they try their luck with soldiers in Iraq than with civilians in your country, if try they must.

And if my sons (who are both American citizens) want to take up arms on the side of justice in 20 years or so, I will give them my blessing (although I'm pretty sure their mother won't!). It's their choice.

I subscribe 100% to the well-known phrase coined by a Scottish philosopher called Edmund Burke 200 years or so ago: "The only thing necessary for evil to triumph is for good men to do nothing".

Take care, my friend, and let me know if you need more shirts!

Bjorn



> From: Ray Jones <[log in to unmask]>
> Date: Fri 28/11/2003 1:41 PM GMT+08:00
> To: [log in to unmask]
> Subject: Re: [SCUBA-SE] Aussie Rugby (was Re: Support or Non-support for
>               Bush's
>               ...
>
> In a message dated 11/27/2003 5:16:03 PM Central Standard Time,
> [log in to unmask] writes:
>
> >Unfortunately we don't learn lessons as well. I don't think Iraq will ever
> be
> >a peaceful nation as long as there is US influence there.
>
> Oh, I think it will, Ray. It just won't happen in months.
>
> Hello Bjorn,
>
> Sir, I hope that you are right but as long as there are martyrs and
> insurgents willing to act as such, then I'm afraid it will be, if ever, a long time out
> unfortunately with the cost of many of young men. Being a father now every
> time I hear about us losing some troops I think of how that father/family must
> feel and whether they thought the loss was worth it. I then go and grab my own
> son and give him a hug and tell him how much he is loved at the same time
> knowing that there is another father grieving. I feel guilty but nevertheless
> thankful that I've still got my son.
> >
> > What TV show ??? You never said anything about TV shows before! Explain!
> >
>
>
>
> Sir, I guess it just never came up. I have an hour long show monthly that
> reaches about 150 mile radius of my city where I show new creations and speak on
> the current fashion trends that is ever changing in my industry. I've done
> this now for about 6 years or so and the results have been amazing. I can't go
> anywhere in this town without somebody recognizing me and commenting on the
> show. Along with the original hour show I have 14 reruns through out the month so
> it keeps me and my business in the publics eye.
>
> Take care sir, and tell your family hello for me.
>
> Ray
>