On Wed, 25 Sep 2002 22:32:30 -0400, Harold Pritchett <[log in to unmask]> wrote:

>I just got back in town from a week in Florida (WDW for vacation
>and Tampa for Muriel to attend Photoshop World.)  There are over
>450 posts to this list in the time I was gone, and I don't expect
>to read all of them.  So, I don't know if any of this has already
>been posted.

No.  Most of it is actually NEW.   :-)
>
>Reef Fish wrote:

>> Good point for changing the NAME of Scuba-SE, which brings us back
>> to a deja-vu thread.
>>
>> Traditionally, the use of the hyphen L, as in Shark-L, is a
>> designation that it's a LISTSERV Discussion Group (on the
>> subject of Sharks).  So, the "L" stands for LISTSERV.
>
>Actually, -L stands for "list"

I stand corrected!  (See reason for my misassociation below)

< technical history snipped >

>For more on the history of Listserv, look here:
>        http://www.lsoft.com/products/listserv-history.asp

Good one!  It contained these relevant key dates for ME:

*>  Revised LISTSERV became LISTSERV in 1988-89.

That was when I was introduced to Scuba-L by our mutual friend
Bradshaw, in 1988, when Scuba-L had about 3 divers and 30-odd non-
diving Geeks (sys admins). :-)  Bradshaw also gave me a print of
the LIST of LISTS (in which ALL were LISTSERV Lists, to the best
of my recollection).  That was when/why I had come to associate the
-L to LISTSERV, as a LISTSERV List, as opposed to whatever other
lists there were.

>The listserv system (all of the systems world-wide which are running
>Eric's listserv software) share data on lists.  All non-confidential
>list names are added to a database to allow you to send subscribe
>commands to any listserv and it will be forwarded to the right place
>for the list.  Because of that, only one SCUBA-L can exist in the
>listserv system.

That explains it!   That was why I had deferred my QUESTION to the
experts, and only Jeff got that one right, but only after a prolonged
flamewar by others.  ;-)

I am NOT going to re-open this topic, but my CONCLUSION during the
discussion was correct that there will be NO Listserv Scuba-L
once it's taken underground to a non-listserv site!!  The only
question is HOW to hook a NEW Scuba-L to the BITNET link that
perhaps you and Jeff (and others in the know) can discuss
PRIVATELY and let us know the "final answer".  Or PRIMARILY,
how can the present Scuba-SE be hooked to the groups.google.com
retrieval system for postings along with those in all USENET
newsgroups and lists.

>> I am sure (without peekie at the archives) someone suggested
>> Scuba-W at the time, where "W" is for "World".  But that
>> loses the "standard" designation of a LISTSERV List.
>> The last time I looked at the "List of Lists" by LISTSERV,
>> it was over 10 years ago, and there were already over 10,000
>> lists with the "-L" designation already.
>>
>> That would be the FIRST place a LISTSERV-knowledgeable
>> person might go to find a Discussion List on a particular
>> subject, and it would miss most, if not all, of the non-L
>> lists.
>>
>> I still like for someone to explore Mika's idea of hijacking
>> the Scuba-L name back.   L-)
>>
>> -- Bob.
>
>Harold

I stand corrected ONCE MORE.  The term "hijacking" is no longer
appropriate, since as I mentioned above, given Harold's explained
history,

*>  there will be NO Listserv Scuba-L once it's taken underground
*>  to a non-listserv site!!

Scuba-L will be a BRAND NEW Listserv List under Jeff's Ownership,
and the PRIMARY question remains about how to hook it (or any
other name we choose) to google, which will make THIS EXISTING
LIST at 100 times more visible to the USENET readership at large.

-- Bob.