There's what is right and then there's what is.  I'm with Bjorn on this one.
The job of airport security is hard enough without us making it harder.
Personally, I'd rather check what is being enforced, whether it's strictly
according to the rules or a bit beyond, and comply when doing so is not real
difficult.   I'll save my arguments for something more important, like
whether my notebook computer gets checked or flies with me.

FWIW, I carry a computer everywhere I go.  It's essential to my work.  Quite
often, security personnel apologize for a delay involved in checking out my
pager, phone, Palm or computer because the xray didn't make them comfortable
enough.  My standard response is, "Please don't apologize to me.  I
appreciate your effort.  After all, I'm the one that's getting on the
plane."

Lee

----- Original Message -----
From: J. Kelly Cunningham <[log in to unmask]>
To: <[log in to unmask]>
Sent: Tuesday, November 20, 2001 8:50 PM
Subject: Re: [SCUBA-SE] Travel to Cozumel


> Bjorn Vang Jensen <[log in to unmask]> wrote:
>
>
> > This shaving cream-nonsense misses the point. An exploding can of
shaving
> > cream can not bring down an aircraft. An exploding tank can.
>
> A tank with less than 40 psi can't "explode."   It might fart.
>
> > Like Chuck
> > says, there are no grey areas for security personnel, and there
shouldn't
> > be.
>
> The law isn't gray is this area.  Less than 40 psi isn't regulated.
>
> >
> > Think about it: So it's a scuba tank. Big deal. Does that guarantee that
it
> > contains air ? Or perhaps something more lethal ?
>
> I'm willing to take a breath or two from it.
>
> > Does the fact that the
> > valve is off guarantee that there is not a clever tank-within-a-tank
inside ?
>
> Does x-ray penetrate aluminum?
>
> > Is it fair to ask security personnel to make that call ?
>
> It's fair to ask security personnel to know the regulations they're
charged
> with enforcing.
>
> > Call the airline
> > and find out if there is a way to check it in, if it means that much.
>
> A useful comment!
>
> > People like myself, who make a living from traveling a lot, appreciate
the
> > new restrictions. In fact, many are not even new to us, only to the US.
> > Think about what the previous "security" restrictions cost you and the
> > world, then consider how much time you think it is reasonable for the
world
> > to spend on your pony bottle.
> >
>
> I appreciate freedom and people who know and do their jobs.
>
> -- kc
>
> > Bjorn
> >
> > ----- Original Message -----
> > From: "Chuck" <[log in to unmask]>
> > To: <[log in to unmask]>
> > Sent: Tuesday, November 20, 2001 12:25
> > Subject: Re: [SCUBA-SE] Travel to Cozumel
> >
> >
> > > Probably not but dont be surprised if they ask for it.  Things have
> > changed
> > > since 9/11.  And not always for the better.  You may want to call the
> > > airline or look at their web page for their most current policy.
> > > ----- Original Message -----
> > > From: "J. Kelly Cunningham" <[log in to unmask]>
> > > To: <[log in to unmask]>
> > > Sent: Monday, November 19, 2001 9:54 PM
> > > Subject: Re: [SCUBA-SE] Travel to Cozumel
> > >
> > >
> > > > Will I be required to remove the valve from my can of shaving cream?
> > > >
> > > > > If you want to get it on the plane.
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > > ----- Original Message -----
> > > > > From: "J. Kelly Cunningham" <[log in to unmask]>
> > > > > To: <[log in to unmask]>
> > > > > Sent: Monday, November 19, 2001 9:30 PM
> > > > > Subject: Re: [SCUBA-SE] Travel to Cozumel
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > > Should I pack enough tools to remove a valve from a tank filled
to
> > > > > > less than 40 psi?
> > > > > >
> > > > > > http://www.webspan.net/~hummer/flyingpony.html
> > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > Depends on the airline. None that I know of will allow a
> > pressurized
> > > > > tank
> > > > > > > and short of taking the valve off how you gonna prove it is
> > drained?
> > > > > Yeah
> > > > > > > yeah I know guages. Tell it to the baggage inspector making
6.25
> > and
> > > > > hour
> > > > > > > that has a set of rules to follow and the power to keep you
off
> > the
> > > > > plane.
> > > > > > > ;-)
> > > > > > > ----- Original Message -----
> > > > > > > From: "J. Kelly Cunningham" <[log in to unmask]>
> > > > > > > To: <[log in to unmask]>
> > > > > > > Sent: Monday, November 19, 2001 7:59 PM
> > > > > > > Subject: Re: [SCUBA-SE] Travel to Cozumel
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > How are they about (valve in) pony bottles?
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > -- kc
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > >
> > > >
> > >
> >