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David Hale <[log in to unmask]>
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SCUBA or ELSE! Diver's forum <[log in to unmask]>
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Mon, 1 Sep 2003 06:45:57 -0700
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Mika, can't you even consider a hypothetical question?

Again I never postulated whether the USSR COULD have
occupied the entirety of Germany. Please go find a
dictionary, they really are very wonderful things.

I was going to point out that it is a historical
"fact" that the losers of wars are treated rather
harshly by the victors, but that would probably result
in the award of all remaining DF points and game over.
Okay, that will actually work...

So you win your little game and you can be proud of
yourself.

And where did I say I disliked you? I criticized your
behavior in this little series of e-mails. I don't
dislike you, just your e-mails.

I'm bored of this and I doubt anybody else is
interested. I'm going to use the delete key for a
while unless the topic is diving. Which I did
yesterday. It wasn't all that great, but it was better
than playing Mika's game....

MIKA WINS!!! The crowd goes wild! Many cheers! Most
importantly, much beer is drinken...

Take care,
David

--- Michael Doelle <[log in to unmask]>
wrote:
> Hi David,
>
> >Michi das Wiesel - Are all Germans foulmouthed,
> ill-mannered, abusive, and ignorant like you?
> Actually
> I doubt they are, and would not characterize an
> entire
> country on the basis of one individual's actions.<
>
> Oh, quit whinging already. You did not *debate* any
> of my points. Instead
> you made a comment to Bjoern along the lines of
> "what is that guy on
> about?". Had you directed that comment to me you
> would likely have received
> a different answer.
>
> >But now I wonder, CAN YOU EVEN READ? My comment was
> regarding whether you folks would have preferred
> that
> the USSR occupy the whole country.<
>
> Sure I can. What you wrote was way off base, though.
> The conferences at
> Tehran and Yalta had already decided that the USSR
> would get their assigned
> territories to the *East* of the river Elbe. A major
> mistake made by
> Churchill and Roosevelt. As anyone in 'New Europe'
> will agree to. It was an
> acknowledgement at the time that the Russians had
> done the most to win the
> war. Which everyone in the West proceeded to quickly
> attempt to forget.
> And lo and behold, come 1947 we were told again
> that, indeed, the enemy
> stood in the East. Oh, thanks, we already knew that.
>
>
> >Not whether it could have happened? READ what you
> quoted in your
> post. I think your "DF" points belong to you in this
> case.<
>
> It simply COULD NOT HAVE HAPPENED, OK? See Tehran,
> Yalta. But yes,  some
> people actually WOULD have preferred that. There
> were plenty of old
> Communists around in 45. Some of them became leaders
> in the states of the
> East. And some old Nazis went to the US, became good
> red-white-blue Merkins
>  and shot Armstrong all the way to Mount Ventoux, or
> was it the moon?
> However, your comment that the USSR might have
> occupied all of Germany in
> 45 still deserves 100 DF points. That was not in the
> cards at all at the
> time. See above.
>
> > Go buy yourself some beer.<
>
> Can I buy myself a bottle of surrender-monkey French
> wine instead?
>
> >Your anti-Americanism sermons are tiresome beyond
> belief. <
>
> Top dog gets critizised. Live with it. And if you
> cannot argue based on
> historical facts, then just shut up, and don't pull
> the tired old 'you guys
> just hate us' crap.
>
> >Your own country's hands are not clean.<
>
> That's hardly news is it? You think I'm a fan of the
> Greatest Leader of All
> Times? Who managed to cut the size of the country in
> half and managed to
> get some 50 million killed?
>
> >If you think Germany was treated so badly after
> 1945
> by the US, go ahead and make your argument about how
> your country was a kindler gentler occupation force
> during the war.<
>
> Nice rant. Now go ahead and show me where I have
> argued in favor of the
> criminal Nazi regime.
>
> >Ah, don't bother. I tried to have a discussion with
> you some months back, and all you would do was evade
> and curse.<
>
> Hmm, what was that about? Maybe I should check the
> archives.
>
> > You pick and choose your "facts" to back up
> your own personal beliefs. You can't read. All you
> can
> do is spew foul language at people you don't even
> know
> and posture your moral and intellectual
> superiority.<
>
> How about coming up with some facts yourself? So far
> I haven't seen any
> from you. Other than stating that you dislike me.
> Which is fine, but that
> doesn't really impress me.
>
> >David H. the "Merkin"<
>
> Patriotism is a wonderful thing, isn't it?
>
> M das Wiesel


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