David, with all due respect.. I do not mean to degrade this forum to its
previous levels... as for the last 3+ months it has been entertaining
and rarely adversarial in it's content... infact today , since God
himself has returned there have been more off topic posts than in the
entire last 3+ months...
First, I am a diver of some experience... As such, I monitor this list
for information on diving as well as the near topic entertainment...
Second, there is no underground Clique...and if there were and the
behaviour was as posted... it would NOT be WORSE than those (he) that we
(I) have complained about... Yes, this is a list about diving and as
long as it stay as such, I will not voice my oppositions, but when it
turns into a Feesh Feed , I have and will continue to do so...
Can you say that for the last 90+ days that the list has not been on
topic without the holier than thou attitudes that prevailed prior and
have suddenly (on que) popped up today ???
this has nothing to do with finances, but trust me if I was a rich man
and could continue to shut down the gruel , I would...

I have a kind ??? Educate me... surely this had little to do with Bob's
absence and it was very mild and only recently if I recall...and surely
not the first light sparring you have dealt with in the list...
There are no RIGHTS on this list.. no one has earned anything... the
information is good for the most part.. the sparing is lighthearted for
the most part... and most of the few posting know each other, so
understand ... As I am sure you do as well...
You may have your few that you do not like to hear from, especially when
they get a little overboard, but 'a little overboard' is normally the
limit of what I have seen... surely nothing overt nor direct in
attack...

This list IS about sharing experiences and that is why I would do it
again to see the lack of animosity and overt and covert attacks and
responses as we did prior to July of this year... Look back through the
ARchives for 3+ months and tell me how often the sharing turned into
fighting versus the first 3 months of this year... Simple answer-- one
hell of a lot less and virtually non-existent....

What YOU tolerate is not an issue- Lee has good and bad points as well
all do... He dives, he posts, he bitches... only dif is I dive, I bitch,
but limited posts... Same people in respect...as I suspect you are as
well...
No Crap- I am a diver and relish hearing of tales from you all.. I dont
seem to have nearly the exciting past or present experiences.. so I do
not post them...although I do enjoy getting under with the jellies,
nudes, and kelp out here... it is certainly a macro dive home land on
the mid west coast of California...

With respect the my financial situation-- I say again- I have not Trown
anything away... simple.. I could either unsubscribe or do this and I
chose this and feel fine for it...as I gained some valuable information
that an unsubscibe would have defeated...I use the delete often when in
a rush and cannot read, but this is only works on my browser after the
mail is on the screen and in some situations..it is too late to hit the
delete...

Off line would have no purpose as there are no goblins or ogres to
chase...
and you MUST admit...the list HAS been more on topic in the last
3+months than for a long time before...
We can only hope that it continues as a diving list and not a personal
arena for the self exhalted Feesh...Your freindship aside....

Now about diving... ever done the Left Coast of America ? Some of the
best 45F to 51 F diving in the world !!! And you have a likelihood of
having your dive interrupted by a Sealion nipping at your fins...or Mr
Grey just beyond the vis... It is a world of the macro with colors and
life beyond what one will find in Florida, Hawaii and many other
locations... although cannot compare with the awesome  wide angle or
macro of the Philippines, nor the GBR...

Have a good one.. No disrespect... and no regrets...

Ken
> On Wednesday, October 03, 2001 9:18 AM, Kenneth Smith wrote:
>
> > Bob,
> >
> > Welcome back ....now we get to see YOUR lame posts again- Will check
> > with my accountant to see if might do this again- it was actually quite
> > rewarding... despite what your EGO thinks...
> > Did you get the 'gift' ?
>
> And followed up with:
>
> > Oh, I forgot to ask- Have you told Jeff how his trip to the Nedfest will
> > be funded ?? Knowing this - it was certainly worthwhile....beyond just
> > the great personal satisfaction of not hearing your BS for over 3
> > months...
>
> Do you ever stop to consider that you and your 'underground' clique are far
> worse in your behaviour than the people that you complain about?  That this
> is a list about diving?  And that your intellectual contribution - as
> opposed to your financial one - is exceedingly thin on the ground?
>
> Having - in Bob's absence - become a target myself by one of your kind, I
> can only say that I'm fucking well sick and fed up with the whingeing,
> whining, smart-arsed, lying, back-stabbing attempts to score points in
> futile exercises that have no seeming purpose.
>
> I will tolerate Lee Bell because he does - at least - make diving related
> contributions to the list.  (Occasionally they even provoke thought!)  But
> I'm buggered if I'm going to continue to passively put up with crap from
> people who have nothing to say about diving - and who therefore, in my book,
> haven't earned the right to whinge and bitch about those who do - and who
> steer us away from what this list is all about - the sharing of experiences,
> knowledge and information about diving, mixed in with some fun.
>
> The fact that you've thrown $2,500 away, doesn't buy you any rights as far
> as list behaviour goes.  But if you want it to run along the lines that
> you - and others like you - apparently want, then at least try and lead by
> example!  If that's too difficult for you to do, then learn to work around
> those people who get up your snotter.  If all else fails, then use the
> delete key.  You'll be a happier - and wealthier - person.
>
> Failing any of those solutions, you can always wallow in the putrid bitching
> sessions of your private 'underground', where the goblins and ogres that you
> manufacture in your minds will almost certainly achieve a reality!
>
> (And before you level criticism at me for this non-diving post, just bear in
> mind that I've been exercising enormous self-restraint over the past couple
> of days.)
>
> Now what was it you wanted to say about diving?
>
> Strike

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