John,

        No problem trolling :)  Actually in the beginning of OpenMPE we defined MPE
as being the complete MPE environment, including all HP sub-systems (such as
compilers, NS3000, etc.) and MPE/iX to refer to the core operating system
only.  So, all this discussion about MPE (by that definition) does including
all of the things you have mentioned.  What is not clear and has not been
defined is how the "add-ons", or sub-systems, will be tracked, charged, etc.
Again, these are some of the details to be worked out.

Thanx,
        Jon

-----Original Message-----
From: OpenMPE Support Group [mailto:[log in to unmask]]On Behalf Of
John Zoltak
Sent: Tuesday, October 01, 2002 10:17 PM
To: [log in to unmask]
Subject: Re: [OPENMPE] PA-RISC Emulator - Distribution


You have all shed a little light on this whole situation. Thanks.

But difficult parts still remain. What about add-ons. Ken, you say $100.00
or whatever it ends up being. OK, now I have MPE. Gee, I have 100base
network card...oops added charge. You want compilers with that, $10,000.00
please. Who's going to supply the compilers once HP decides they don't want
to anymore, not that they are now. How about DS3000, NS3000,
Dictionary/3000, HPDESK, System Dictionary, TDP/3000 and a whole slew of
other things I can't remember right now. Seems to me the price tags is going
to go up a lot. And we haven't even gotten to third parties yet.

Have you guys, gang of 6, discussed this with HP yet? Really, I don't mean
to be a troll, but these questions just started popping into my head and I
can't make it stop.

John Zoltak
North American Mfg Co
Cleveland Ohio
216-206-5510

----- Original Message -----
From: "Sletten Kenneth W KPWA" <[log in to unmask]>
To: <[log in to unmask]>
Sent: Tuesday, October 01, 2002 7:28 PM
Subject: Re: PA-RISC Emulator - Distribution


> G. again / still:
>
> > ... the goal would be to provide a cheap version that
> > lets everyone have that laptop 3000 they've always
> > wanted and yet be able to charge real money in the
> > case that the user is going to run real production
> > processing on it.
>
> Yes, please...   :-)   I think above is ideal outcome.
> Let's face it:  The compter science kids that are in
> school right now are not all going to rush out and plunk
> down $100 (or whatever it ends up being) for a one-or-
> two user version of an MPE emulator right away. But I'll
> bet a high percentage of the people on this list and
> 3000-L will...
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