One, I don't need to use or infer profanity to do
anything.

Two, no one has said how many MPE jobs have died.

Three, no one has said how many new companies or
companies who want to change from their current OS to
MPE exist or of whom they have personal exp.

Four, no one has said what the true market barometers
are. 

I could go on......I love the HP3k; the point I'm
making is this is significant engergy and postings
that have been done hundreds of times in the past on
this list; MPE, openmpe - discussions that have been
going on for years and simply put, THE MARKET ISN"T
THERE and neither are the trends or COMPANY level
interests. 

How many colleges or universities do you know of that
still even has an MPE system in there computer lab for
instruction or use? How many now as compared to the
late and mid 80's? 

How many executives do you know that want to but an
MPE O.S.? Who you think would want to make the
decision to migrate to OpenMPE on Linux when they
don't have staff, talent in the market or 25 years
olds coming out of college who would have a clue about
it? 

--- "Schwartzman, Zelik" <[log in to unmask]> wrote:

> Mark
> It people like Jim who are f'ing this up
> 
> -----Original Message-----
> From: OpenMPE Support Group
> [mailto:[log in to unmask]] On Behalf Of Pete
> Sent: Friday, September 15, 2006 2:21 AM
> To: [log in to unmask]
> Subject: Re: [Possible SPAM] OpenMPE - funeral or
> future?
> 
> Mark -
> 
> On 9/14/06, Mark Ranft <[log in to unmask]> wrote:
> > Pete,
> >
> > I for one do not think MPE is dead.  I have hopes.
>  I am an optimist.  But
> > like so many others, I have heard over and over
> again how MPE is dead.
> And
> > now I am hearing how OpenMPE is dead.  And I am
> getting worn down.
> >
> > Are these people saying your ideas won't work,
> promoting the future of
> MPE?
> > Why are these cynics part of this group?  What are
> they hanging out here
> > for?  And what about OpenMPE?  Is it simply an
> organization set up as a
> > buffer as HP eases MPE out of the picture?  What
> is OpenMPE really doing
> > anyway?  Have they made any progress?
> 
> When I first came across OpenMPE recently, it was by
> accident.  It
> looked like an organization to pick up the MPE ball
> that HP dropped,
> or was trying to drop, and run with it.  I'm hoping
> that is still the
> purpose, but starting to have my doubts.
> 
> > If there is a small role, I can play in the future
> of MPE, sign me up.  I
> > will help.
> 
> I guess the first thing is to establish what the
> market is, and scope
> of the problem:
> 1)  How many systems are still on the HP3000 / MPE,
> and would like to
> remain there?
> 1a)  What is the yearly dollar amount they would
> spend to stay there?
> 1b)  What other resources would they be willing to
> commit (testing,
> documenting, technical, hosting, etc)?
> 1c)  How long can they wait, or are willing to wait
> (which ever comes
> first)?
> 2)  A list of intrinsics that are needed to run
> their application set or
> system.
> 3)  What integration is needed to other systems?
> 4)  What client interfaces?
> 
> If there is enough market demand, are there enough
> technical resources
> available to make it happen in a timely manner?
> 
> Next, have a plan to take MPE forward to make it
> play well in today's
> world without sacrificing the simple and robust
> application
> development platform with simple system management
> of application
> resources, that focuses on one thing:  Solve
> business informational
> problems as quickly, easily, and robustly as
> possible.  The hard or
> complex stuff should be hidden behind the intrinsic
> wall and done
> using Linux tools, and not exposed to the
> application development and
> end user environment.
> 
> MPE may not be the long term answer, but it had the
> fundamental idea
> before the inclusion and exposure of Posix years
> ago, and could easily
> be morphed into a complete solution using a client
> interface that
> would allow client apps like OpenOffice to
> seamlessly connect to
> enter, display, summarize, search, and analyze the
> data stored within.
>  The system manager "sees" a simple and straight
> forward platform and
> resources, and the system operator "sees" a simple
> view of system
> resources being used, jobs running, users logged in
> and their
> processes.  Yet, all the power of Linux sits purring
> underneath,
> easily exposed and/or controlled by a utility app
> using a hook in the
> PM intrinsic interface (all PM intrinsics or
> utilities would be
> blessed by OpenMPE, or the site would be on its
> own).  All application
> programs are restricted to the intrinsic interface
> minimizing the
> chances for bugs, and making debugging far easier.
> 
> It *appears* to have been done commercially with
> MPUX.  As MS squashed
> all commercial competition that got between it and
> money until open
> source Linux came along, the only hope of long term
> success, I believe
> lies in making OpenMPE open source, but friendly to
> 3rd party closed
> source.
> 
> My $.02
> - Pete
> 
> 
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