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Jim Chance <[log in to unmask]>
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Jim Chance <[log in to unmask]>
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Tue, 26 Sep 2006 14:26:46 -0700
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--- Pete <[log in to unmask]> wrote:

> Donna -
> 
> I received multiple queries as to whether Linux had
> the ability to support
> MPE's concept of files, directory structure, and
> capabilities.  Some
> questions were already answered in previous posts. 
> Many do not seem to
> understand the power of Linux to host an MPE user
> mode environment.  The XFS
> posting was to help visualize the possibilities. 
> There are other file
> systems available, some are probably just as
> adequate.  I have an open mind
> for other file system options.
> 
> I have made a proposal to create an MPE user mode
> environment.  I have been
> open for discussion.  At this point, I am not aware
> of any major problem.
> If you are aware of any, please let me know.

MAJOR PROBLEM? TRY THE MARKET. THAT'S A MAJOR PROBLEM
FOR THIS TO WORK. Its much more than the technical
aspect. The next major hurdle is financing. Then
marketing, then who are the customers and who would
pay for this on top of Linux and why would they
pay/choose it, what about the skills in the market,
knowledge, etc...etc.... UGH. 

Pete, you've told us so much about the technicalities,
but you've said NOTHING about the customers, the
market, the ERP applications, why they'd buy this,
etc...etc.. this makes for a weak argument/point. 

> 
> I am guessing that a way to execute MPE PA-RISC
> binaries on at least Intel
> compatible hardware will be necessary.  So far, no
> one has offered a list of
> binary only, must have applications/utilities.  I
> would guess that some
> critical 3rd party vendors are not willing to
> recompile their source for
> execution on Intel/MPE platform, necessitating a
> solution.  Finding someone
> to lead this effort may be a problem, I don't know
> yet.
> 
> So what have I posted that is inappropriate for
> OpenMPE?  Is the problem
> that I am not an OpenMPE board member?  Ideas not
> officially endorsed by the
> board?
> 
> Checks and balances?  The board is open, and I have
> requested feedback
> knowing I can't think of everything.  There are some
> excellent technical
> capability lurking on this discussion group, and
> they are certainly welcome
> to poke holes in my ideas.  I'm sure you know a few.
>  If you want checks and
> balances, this discussion board is open and no one
> is getting overwhelmed at
> this point with the number of postings.
> 
> - Pete
> 
> On 9/26/06, donna hofmeister
> <[log in to unmask]> wrote:
> >
> > --- Pete <[log in to unmask]> wrote:
> >
> > > For those of you not familiar with file systems
> available on Linux,
> > > the most popular ones are:  the original "ext2"
> which morphed into
> > > the current "ext3" journaled filesystem; "jfs"
> is a filesystem
> > > written and supported by IBM; "reiserfs" is
> designed by a highly
> > > intelligent and hard to deal with geek by  the
> name of Reiser;
> > > and "xfs" (not to be confused with "xfs" the X
> font server), the file
> >
> > > system developed by SGI for Irix OS and ported
> to Linux which I
> > > believe is now the primary development platform.
>  XFS is a large
> > > scale and high performance file system with just
> about every file
> > > system capability I can imagine.  Here is the
> web link:
> > > http://oss.sgi.com/projects/xfs/
> > >
> > > There is little, if anything, that a business
> application needs to
> > > know about XFS, but it is good to know that no
> one is going to run
> > > out of capacity with it, and all of its
> capabilities are
> > > available "behind the wall" to PM programmers
> and 3rd party
> > > developers.  Some functionality could be exposed
> through SM
> > > intrinsics and utilities also.
> >
> > before i say anything, i want to make it clear
> that i am speaking for
> > myself only....not openmpe's board.
> >
> > i have to question the appropriateness of this
> posting.  it sounds like
> > a solution with no real design is being pushed.  a
> technology is being
> > advocated without any checks or balances.
> >
> > if nothing else, full disclosure (talk about
> what's bad as well as
> > what's good) would be better than painting a scene
> of technological
> > nirvana.            - d
> >
> > Donna Hofmeister, HP-CSA  Sr. System Programmer
> > dgarverick -at- longs -dot- com
> > 925-210-6631              Longs Drug Stores
> >
> > >>>MY opinions, not Longs Drug Stores'<<<
> >
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