Its not a matter of being funny (forehead?) or whether
(weather?) I like MPE or not. I'm not debating that -
I DO!!!! Its not living and it will NOT live FOREVER.
If you are so certain, then...
show me all of the jobs
show me a list of all colleges and universities who
have it
show me the graduating market/IT skills
show me the last company to buy MPE
show me/tell me where its living/growing/fostering -
the oppisite of dying/dead
show me a list of all HP3k experts NOW vs. the list 10
years ago
show me where directors, sole-proprieters and managers
are choosing it vs. other systems
show me who IS NOT moving to other systems in the next
2 years
show me REALISTIC, STATISTICS AND FACTS HOW ITS LIVING
AND ISN'T DEAD OR DYING - Provide PROOF - something
other than opinions and rambling. I have stated what I
have known, seen, read, and experienced in the market.
AGREED a few will remain for another 2-5 years. And
that will keep a half a dozen vendors in that market
for a while. Does that mean it lives? I think not.
Does that mean putting MPE on Linux will compete?
Let me check back in again in another 5 years and
let's see who is right. If MPE isn't dead - then you
are saying its living - if its living, then it will
become MORE popular, demand will grow, the OS will
foster and it will be the choice over other OS's.
Hmmmmm, that's what many said 5 years ago and 10 years
ago. More important that technical solutions, it would
take a MAJOR company to promote it - HP never did do
this, to FUND it - OpenMPE doesn't have the funding -
to PUSH it to the schools at all levels. And then
ofcourse have business solutions on it that are
superior to other systems that MANY companies have
went to since 1996.
I hear your passion and others too, but guys you
aren't realistic about the matter. I'm not bashing,
I'm stating TRUE commentary. I fail to understand why
many of you don't also say you've seen the same thing.
We all know this list doesn't really make it to 600
recepients. Its easy for some of you to say I'm
negative and its easy for you to say I'm bashing MPE,
the rhetoric has been to state the facts.
jobs
colleges
market
customers
solutions
technical
OS competition
trends
money
support
drive
--- J Dolliver <[log in to unmask]> wrote:
> Jim, Apply directly to your forehead----- MPE will
> live weather or not you like it.
>
> Apply directly to your forehead----- MPE LIVES
>
> Apply directly to your forehead----- MPE /Image will
> live forever
>
> Now that we have made that clear there is no room
> for your discussion about killing it.
>
> Apply directly to your forehead...
>
>
>
> -------------- Original message from Jim Chance
> <[log in to unmask]>: --------------
>
>
> > I have been a member of this list since.....the
> late
> > 80's early 90's? So long I can't remember for
> sure.
> >
> > I've seen thousands of these discussions about
> saving
> > something that would be great to do so, but the
> > evidence doesn't support the market interest.
> >
> > Everyone has an opinion. Nothing to be confused
> about,
> > I have 18 years on the paltform - but when the
> same
> > old idea of saving MPE comes up even though the
> market
> > doesn't demand it, indicating the facts isn't a
> pro or
> > negative but a reality statement.
> >
> > --- Cecile Chi wrote:
> >
> > > Since you are convinced that MPE and OpenMPE are
>
> > > dead, why are you wasting your time even reading
>
> > > this list, much less posting to it? This is
> > > confusing to me.
> > >
> > > Cecile Chi
> > >
> > > Jim Chance wrote: There is no
> > > future for MPE, and there's hardly a
> > > present. HP was the pall bears years back, MPE
> has
> > > been in the coffin and a shovel of dirt is
> tossed on
> > > it weekly as one more company goes in another
> > > direction.
> > >
> > > Its the reality of the matter. No one is wrong
> or
> > > right, its the market. Its not that the ideas
> won't
> > > work, its a matter of practicality and market
> > > direction that FIRMLY started in the late 90's.
> > >
> > > There is no realistic viable future for OpenMPE;
> its
> > > the factual reality and market factors. For me
> its
> > > not
> > > a negative statement, but what I have
> experienced,
> > > seen, read and observed. I am very close to the
> > > market, the vibes, trends, demands and lack
> there
> > > of.
> > > Moreover I can't count how many companies I have
>
> > > worked with since 1997 that the only work they
> had
> > > was
> > > migrating off MPE as fast as they could.
> > >
> > > This push would have had to come from a MAJOR
> > > company
> > > and it would have had to begun in the mid 90's.
> > >
> > > --- Pete
> > > wrote:
> > >
> > > > Well I have certainly heard from the vocal
> > > minority!
> > > >
> > > > I had the impression that OpenMPE was about
> open
> > > > systems and taking
> > > > MPE forward. Maybe I was wrong. Or, maybe the
> > > > silent majority is
> > > > afraid to speak, I don't know.
> > > >
> > > > First I was told how my ideas wouldn't work,
> > > > sometimes with arguments
> > > > that had nothing to do with what I was
> suggesting.
> > >
> > > > Then, magically
> > > > links to commercial solutions appeared that
> seem
> > > to
> > > > do similar things
> > > > to what I proposed, or in the case of MPUX,
> seems
> > > to
> > > > be almost
> > > > identical. Well, I guess I wasn't too far off
> > > base
> > > > to begin with.
> > > >
> > > > So, at least at this point, there is no reason
> why
> > > > OpenMPE is not
> > > > technically possible as an environment running
> on
> > > > top of a Linux
> > > > distribution on any server hardware sold. I do
>
> > > not
> > > > see this being
> > > > viable as a closed source commercial product.
> > > Maybe
> > > > I am wrong there,
> > > > but my experience with both tells me that this
> is
> > > > the only viable
> > > > solution for an OpenMPE.
> > > >
> > > > There have been a number of statements about
> > > Linux,
> > > > and how OpenMPE
> > > > would impact Linux that are just not true.
> Why?
> > > I
> > > > can only imagine.
> > > > Seems as though there are ulterior motives,
> and
> > > that
> > > > a successful
> > > > OpenMPE would hurt their conversion business.
> All
> > > I
> > > > know is that they
> > > > are very negative about MPE. So why are they
> on a
> > > > list of what they
> > > > describe as dead software, and then bother to
> > > waste
> > > > their time arguing
> > > > for its death? To pick over the bones? Why
> don't
> > > > they move on?
> > > > There is a reason, and besides making money
> off
> > > the
> > > > death of MPE, what
> > > > other reason is there?
> > > >
> > > > I can't say I don't like making money, because
> I
> > > do.
> > > > But, I also see
> > > > the value of open source in creating
> > > infrastructure.
> > > > It is part
> > > > barter and part ego boost for techies. The
> barter
> > > > part is that I give
> > > > you my improvement and 10, 100, or a 1000
> other
> > > > techies give me
> > > > theirs. Plus, if you are a techie, it is not
> bad
> > > to
> > > > have your name
> > > > listed in a successful software product. Also,
>
> > > > there are many people
> > > > making money on "free" Linux, including
> companies
> > > > like HP and IBM,
> > > > where it is a strategic OS. There could be
> many
> > > > commercial
> > > > applications built on top of an open source
> > > OpenMPE,
> > > > besides inhouse
> > > > development.
> > > >
> > > > If you are interested in the SUCCESS of
> OpenMPE
> > > and
> > > > believe, or at
> > > > least interested in the possibility, of
> creating
> > > an
> > > > MPE user mode
> > > > environment on top of Linux, let me know,
> either
> > > on
> > > > or off list. If
> > > > there is enough interest, I will put together
> an
> > > > initial design for
> > > > perusal and subsequent modification.
> > > >
> > > > - Pete
> > > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> >
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