Since you are convinced that MPE and OpenMPE are dead, why are you wasting your time even reading this list, much less posting to it?  This is confusing to me. 

Cecile Chi

Jim Chance <[log in to unmask]> wrote: There is no future for MPE, and there's hardly a
present. HP was the pall bears years back, MPE has
been in the coffin and a shovel of dirt is tossed on
it weekly as one more company goes in another
direction. 

Its the reality of the matter. No one is wrong or
right, its the market. Its not that the ideas won't
work, its a matter of practicality and market
direction that FIRMLY started in the late 90's. 

There is no realistic viable future for OpenMPE; its
the factual reality and market factors. For me its not
a negative statement, but what I have experienced,
seen, read and observed. I am very close to the
market, the vibes, trends, demands and lack there of.
Moreover I can't count how many companies I have
worked with since 1997 that the only work they had was
migrating off MPE as fast as they could. 

This push would have had to come from a MAJOR company
and it would have had to begun in the mid 90's. 

--- Pete 
 wrote:

> Well I have certainly heard from the vocal minority!
> 
> I had the impression that OpenMPE was about open
> systems and taking
> MPE forward.  Maybe I was wrong.  Or, maybe the
> silent majority is
> afraid to speak, I don't know.
> 
> First I was told how my ideas wouldn't work,
> sometimes with arguments
> that had nothing to do with what I was suggesting. 
> Then, magically
> links to commercial solutions appeared that seem to
> do similar things
> to what I proposed, or in the case of MPUX, seems to
> be almost
> identical.  Well, I guess I wasn't too far off base
> to begin with.
> 
> So, at least at this point, there is no reason why
> OpenMPE is not
> technically possible as an environment running on
> top of a Linux
> distribution on any server hardware sold.  I do not
> see this being
> viable as a closed source commercial product.  Maybe
> I am wrong there,
> but my experience with both tells me that this is
> the only viable
> solution for an OpenMPE.
> 
> There have been a number of statements about Linux,
> and how OpenMPE
> would impact Linux that are just not true.  Why?  I
> can only imagine.
> Seems as though there are ulterior motives, and that
> a successful
> OpenMPE would hurt their conversion business.  All I
> know is that they
> are very negative about MPE.  So why are they on a
> list of what they
> describe as dead software, and then bother to waste
> their time arguing
> for its death?  To pick over the bones?  Why don't
> they move on?
> There is a reason, and besides making money off the
> death of MPE, what
> other reason is there?
> 
> I can't say I don't like making money, because I do.
>  But, I also see
> the value of open source in creating infrastructure.
>  It is part
> barter and part ego boost for techies.  The barter
> part is that I give
> you my improvement and 10, 100, or a 1000 other
> techies give me
> theirs.  Plus, if you are a techie, it is not bad to
> have your name
> listed in a successful software product.  Also,
> there are many people
> making money on "free" Linux, including companies
> like HP and IBM,
> where it is a strategic OS.  There could be many
> commercial
> applications built on top of an open source OpenMPE,
> besides inhouse
> development.
> 
> If you are interested in the SUCCESS of OpenMPE and
> believe, or at
> least interested in the possibility, of creating an
> MPE user mode
> environment on top of Linux, let me know, either on
> or off list.  If
> there is enough interest, I will put together an
> initial design for
> perusal and subsequent modification.
> 
> - Pete
> 


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