Ron - cc OPEN MPE & 3000-L

Let me summarize the concern that I think folks have ... which audiences
(both end-users and vendors) will Interex's HPWorld be a viable show for:

1) MPE (since this is where Interex started I list it first)
2) Open-VMS - since this is the large installed base of "Compaq" - really
formerly DEC
3) HP-UX
4) Tru-64 (Which is to be merged into HP-UX)
5) Linux
6) Windows (various evolving flavors)
7) Tandem/Non-stop/ Himalayas
8) ERP - didn't we have an ERP world mixed in a couple ofyears ago?

And to that end it would be useful to see the number of attendees broken out
in categories of:
1) End-users who paid for the priviledge of attending
2) The speakers who were granted attendee badges for giving a talk
3) Vendors personnel (excluding HP - the biggest Vendor)
4) HP personnel (we know this was a BIG training event for HP 800 System
Architects were teaching both endusers and the HP folks on the latest from
"palmtops to Non-Stops")
5) Exhibit passes issued

These figures and better yet the trending will help folks make decisions
with respect to having Interex and HPWorld as part of the education/training
or marketing budget for next year.

Thanks in advance Ron for the answers,

Birket Foster
1) HP3000 user since 1973
2) Company founder in 1977
3) Exhibitor since 1978 (includes IMACS history acquired in 1989) - 25 years
of payments for ads & floor space
4) Frequent content contributor to various IT publications and Interex &
RUG/LUG events
5) Working in broader "open" market (HP-UX, Windows and now Linux (all of
the above on Itanium)) since 1990.

----- Original Message -----
From: "Ron Evans" <[log in to unmask]>
To: <[log in to unmask]>
Sent: Wed,August 20, 2003 12:40 PM
Subject: Re: HP World 2003 Conference Survey


> John:
>
> No disrespect intended, it is just that this is not the first time I
> have
> heard this number bandied about and am a little sensitive to possible
> misrepresentation. Others known to us have been waging a campaign of
> disinformation, even to the point of saying we are not having an event
> next
> year....which is simply not true.  It takes a lot of restraint not to
> get
> mired down in such shenanigans, so as you can see we bristle when we
> hear
> inaccurate information being proffered to the marketplace.
>
> So I apologize if my message was taken out of context and that the
> entire
> MPE community felt I was characterizing anyone involved in a discussion
> about MPE as having a "destructive bent and a personal agenda".
> Certainly as
> you can see from my comment (following) that I was generalizing about a
> few
> folks in the industry who appear to be off base.  ("What we find sad is
> that
> it appears that there are some folks out there totally misrepresenting
> the
> participation numbers at HP World 2003. Seems like they feel that it is
> to
> their advantage to try and disrupt Interex's independent production of
> this
> event for its membership.) This clearly was not directed at the
> participants
> of this MPE discussion.
>
> Since you brought up MPE involvement, I feel compelled to assure the
> e3000
> community that Interex is committed to the continued support of members
> using that platform as long as there is interest and financial support
> to do
> so.  Each year we work with our volunteer program committee to assure we
> have a balance of content reflecting the needs of these users.  We have
> no
> agenda in terms of pushing homesteading or migration as the best
> alternative. In fact in trying to reach out to more members in need of
> exploring the options we funded a second e-3000 Solutions symposium
> event on
> the East Coast, even though there was a small turnout and was a
> financially
> draining effort.
>
> The commitment to support members with MPE needs is irrefutable, however
> it
> is a two way street. If members want this coverage then they need to
> participate in helping drive content and in attending the conferences
> and or
> sessions reflecting their needs. Vendors too need participate   in order
> to
> supply additional financial support for this effort as well. So in spite
> of
> the slowdown 571 MPE users did participate in HP World this year and
> must
> have felt that the MPE content was worth showing up for.  Hopefully more
> will get involved next year.
>
> Ron Evans
> Interex
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: John Burke [mailto:[log in to unmask]]
> Sent: Wednesday, August 20, 2003 7:57 AM
> To: 'Ron Evans'; [log in to unmask]
> Subject: RE: HP World 2003 Conference Survey
>
>
> Ron Evans said,
>
> > What we find sad is that it appears that there are some folks
> > out there
> > totally misrepresenting the participation numbers at HP World
> > 2003. Seems
> > like they feel that it is to their advantage to try and
> > disrupt Interex's
> > independent production of this event for its membership.  I
> > guess you would
> > need to put them in the same category as hackers, they just have a
> > destructive bent and a personal agenda.
> >
>
> Whoa partner. I "may" have been the source of the 5000 number, since one
> of
> my posts appears to contain the first mention, but here is EXACTLY what
> I
> said: "Of the over 5000 attendees, less than 100 indicated an interest
> in
> MPE."
>
> "over 5000" - I used this because I had not seen or heard any official
> figures. Besides, I was only trying to show how few, percentage-wise, of
> the
> attendees were interested in MPE. If I knew it was 8400, I certainly
> would
> have used that number because it would serve to better emphasize my
> point.
> I'm sorry if anyone took my comment to mean "only 5000", though clearly
> this
> is not what I said. In no way was I trying to disparage the conference
> or
> Interex. My comment had nothing to do with how the conference was run.
>
> I do certainly object to your characterization of anyone who has
> participated in this current discussion seeking answers to the low
> attendance by people with MPE interest and whether we can do anything
> about
> it as "hackers, they just have a destructive bent and a personal
> agenda".
>
> John Burke