Isn't a mainframe more secure, too?  And aren't upgrades easier, as opposed 
to upgrading many workstations?

John Lee
Preferred Systems Maintenance (fka Vaske Computer Solutions




At 06:26 PM 7/12/2009 -0700, donna hofmeister wrote:
>"If you do a total cost of ownership, the mainframe comes out cheaper, but
>since the costs of a mainframe are immediately obvious, it is hard to get it
>past the bean-counters of an organization."
>
>Funny, I said essentially the same thing to someone at hp about mpe.  The
>recipient's eyes flew open like I had said the most amazing thing ever
>heard.  I'm not a "bean counter" but it was sooooo obvious that this was the
>case...and yet this had never occurred to this very well-educated hp'er
><sigh><alas>
>
>But anyhow...tis true -- it can be very very hard to replace legacy apps
>(for a multitude of reasons) and some people just can't/won't get that.
>- d
>
>---
>Donna Hofmeister
>Allegro Consultants, Inc.
>408-252-2330
>
>
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: HP-3000 Systems Discussion [mailto:[log in to unmask]] On
> > Behalf Of Tracy Johnson
> > Sent: Saturday, July 11, 2009 8:33 AM
> > To: [log in to unmask]
> > Subject: [HP3000-L] HP3000 Workers Chances Improving?
> >
> > >From Slashdot last night.  Presume the hidden cost of letting HP3000
> > workers go way back may also apply here.
> >
> > (I think the original poster should have put 'not' before
> > 'immediately'.)
> >
> > +--------------------------------------------------------------------+
> > | Retired Mainframe Pros Lured Back Into Workforce                   |
> > |   from the come-back-so-we-can-fire-you-again dept.                |
> > |   posted by ScuttleMonkey on Friday July 10, @18:22 (Businesses)   |
> > |   http://it.slashdot.org/article.pl?sid=09/07/10/200204            |
> > +--------------------------------------------------------------------+
> >
> > [0]itwbennett writes "Businesses that cut experienced mainframe
> > administrators in an effort to cut costs inadvertently created a skills
> > shortage that is coming back to bite them. Chris O'Malley, CA's
> > mainframe business executive VP, says that mainframe workers were let
> > go
> > because 'it had no immediate effect and the organizations didn't expect
> > to keep mainframes around.' But businesses have kept mainframes around
> > and now they are [1]struggling to find engineers. Prycroft Six managing
> > director Greg Price, a mainframe veteran of some 45 years, put it this
> > way:  'Mainframes are expensive, ergo businesses want to go to cheaper
> > platforms, but [those platforms] have a lot of packaged overheads. If
> > you do a total cost of ownership, the mainframe comes out cheaper, but
> > since the costs of a mainframe are immediately obvious, it is hard to
> > get it past the bean-counters of an organization.'"
> >
> > Discuss this story at:
> >     http://it.slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=09/07/10/200204
> >
> > Links:
> >     0. http://www.itworld.com/
> >     1. http://www.itworld.com/%5Bprimary-term%
> > 5D/70886/retired-mainframe-pros-lured-back-workforce
> >
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