HP ARPA ftp will let me use SITE on it (to stream a job), and on any
other ftp server. But the NT server will not let me do much with SITE.
It does however support REXEC. Searching the LaserROM for REXEC, I find
a different meaning. * SIGH * And this problem reminds me of something
attributed to Admiral Grace Hopper: The wonderful thing about standards
is that there are so many to choose from. In the mean time, I have
received no solutions for having the 3K start a batch job on NT, and so
we are looking at the kludge. * SIGH *.

I would bet that if we wanted to buy someone else's ftp server for NT,
we might be able to use SITE to their server. That's it! We can throw
money at it! Let's spend a few hundred, so we can run one job.

Thanks for the sympathetic response, Wirt. My big reservation about
object orientation is who designs the objects; we get the
kjp_StartHereNow_x1 message going to the jpm_Immovable object... These
kludges remind me of brain-teasers and Rube Goldberg devices. The design
should not be that much harder to understand than the function itself.
Complex functions require complex solutions, but the solutions should
not be ugly, at least no uglier than the problem. Whereas no one has any
hope of knowing why the job wakes up every five minutes to look for a
file, or where the file comes from, unless I add comments, those
comments are maintained, and the maintainer trusts those comments.

>----------
>From:  Wirt Atmar[SMTP:[log in to unmask]]
>Sent:  Thursday, October 16, 1997 3:43 AM
>To:    [log in to unmask]
>Subject:       Re: [HP3000-L] 3K to NT job initiation
>
>Richard Gambrell writes:
>
>> > Moments like these, I question my commitment to heterogeneous
>>  > environments...
>>  >
>>
>>  Really, now, Unix system admins do this sort of thing all the time and
>thing
>>  nothing of it. So what if it is ugly, if it works?:->
>>  Can NT even do cron?
>
>More to the point, this is no way to run a business. So long as computers and
>their commands are "ugly," they represent a profound design failure and an
>inability to be used by "ordinary people" in the conduct of their "ordinary
>businesses."
>
>Wirt Atmar
>