Reservists (apparently) have one more category than the Guard.
AT => Annual Training. (Which serves a similar 15 day requirement as a Guardman's ADT. Although a Reservist may serve on ADT also.)
The main difference between the two, is the funding bucket it comes from.
ADT is "Customer Pays" (for example: 15 days at Fort Courage, but Fort Courage has to pay the 15-day bill out of a local account.)
AT is paid out of each Service's Reservist account. The Reservist could still be sent to Fort Courage, but (name your service here) Reserve HQ pays the bill out of a reserve account.)
It kinda makes sense for Guardsmen, since they are administered out of the State level. Their ADT pay cannot come out of a Service's reserve account, but rather from the command they are transferred to (for the time served.)
Also of note, those who are on "pure" non-pay status, are not required to do the required number of days of active duty every year. But can if they can find a command willing to pay for it (ADT.)
BT
Tracy (29-years) Johnson
(Five more weekends before 30 years)
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> Subject: Re: [HP3000-L] OT: Bush's National Guard Duty (again) on
> 60minutes
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>
> Hi All :)
>
> Mild point of clarification from the "More than You EVER
> wanted to know
> about the Guard Retirement Point System" category:
>
> Definitions of categories of service:
> IDT => Inactive Duty Training
> ADT => Active Duty Training
> IET => Initial Entry Training (Basic Training and
> Advanced Individual
> Training (Military Occupational Qualification Training (your job!)))
>
> Current Requirements of Guard Members:
> 4 IDT Points per weekend
> 48 IDT Points requrired for a 'Good' year
> 15 ADT Points required for a 'Good' year
> 15 Membership Points per year currently
>
> Split Training is allowed within a 60 day window of the unit's
> assigned drill weekend, the window consists of 30 days before
> and 30 days
> after the drill starting date.
> 1 weekend may be excused per year by the unit commander
> but the 48 IDT
> point requirement is not altered or waived for the year.
>
> Also, a member of the Guard (and I think all Reserve component
> Members) can serve "Point Only" time... this is where they do
> not receive
> pay but earn retirement points.
>
> Art "doing a webinar that is boring!" Bahrs
>
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> Denys said on Thursday, September 09, 2004 10:01 AM:
>
> > (I added some information about the F-102 at the end of the
> message.)
> >
> > [snip]
> > Not two years of weekends. Two years.
> >
> > ... At the time, guardsmen were required to accumulate a
> > minimum of 50 points to meet their yearly obligation.
>
> As is is still the case.
>
> > According to records released earlier this year, Bush earned
> > 253 points
> > in his first year, May 1968 to May 1969 (since he joined in
> May 1968,
> > his service thereafter was measured on a May-to-May basis).
> >
> > Bush earned 340 points in 1969-1970. He earned 137 points in
> > 1970-1971.
> > And he earned 112 points in 1971-1972. The numbers indicate
> > that in his
> > first four years, Bush not only showed up, he showed up a
> lot. Did you
> > know that?
> >
> > That brings the story to May 1972 - the time that has been
> > the focus of
> > so many news reports - when Bush "deserted" (according to anti-Bush
> > filmmaker Michael Moore) or went "AWOL" (according to Terry
> McAuliffe,
> > chairman of the Democratic National Committee).
> >
> > Bush asked for permission to go to Alabama to work on a
> > Senate campaign.
> > His superior officers said OK. Requests like that weren't
> > unusual, says
> > retired Col. William Campenni, who flew with Bush in 1970 and 1971.
> >
> > "In 1972, there was an enormous glut of pilots," Campenni says. "The
> > Vietnam War was winding down, and the Air Force was putting
> pilots in
> > desk jobs. In '72 or '73, if you were a pilot, active or
> > Guard, and you
> > had an obligation and wanted to get out, no problem. In
> fact, you were
> > helping them solve their problem."
> >
> > So Bush stopped flying. From May 1972 to May 1973, he earned just 56
> > points - not much, but enough to meet his requirement.
> >
> > Then, in 1973, as Bush made plans to leave the Guard and go
> to Harvard
> > Business School, he again started showing up frequently.
> >
> > In June and July of 1973, he accumulated 56 points, enough
> to meet the
> > minimum requirement for the 1973-1974 year.
> >
> > Then, at his request, he was given permission to go. Bush
> received an
> > honorable discharge after serving five years, four months and
> > five days
> > of his original six-year commitment. By that time, however, he had
> > accumulated enough points in each year to cover six years
> of service.
>
> On weekends one earns 2 points per day. On active duty one
> earns one point a day. Assuming all weekends were fullfilled,
> (2 days * 2 points * 12 weeks = 48 points.)
>
> But wait, there's more!
>
> All Guardsmen and Reservists get 12 gratuitous points
> provided they have a satisfactory (50 point) year.
>
> So for all the years stated above MY "best guess" of real
> active duty time should be approximately:
>
> (1968) 253 - 0 - 12 = 241 days
> (assume no weekends during initial training year.)
> (1969) 340 - 0 - 12 = 328 days
> (another training year - no weekends.)
> (1970) 137 - 48 - 12 = 77 days active duty.
> (1971) 112 - 48 - 12 = 52 days active duty.
> (1972) 56 - 48 - 12 = -4 days active duty.
> (no active duty that year, probably missed one weekend,
> which is O.K. if you get an excuse from your Command.
> Even if you don't get an excuse, there was a thing
> called "make-up" weekends. The "make-up" may have
> been performed the following year.)
> (1973) 56 - 8 - 12 = 36 days (only 2 months)
>
> Any of the above points could be further modified by
> correspondence courses that could range from 1 to 10
> points or more, each. No active duty required for
> those so the above guesses at active duty are still
> generous.
>
> [quality of work statements snipped]
>
> > [snip F-102]
> >
> > http://www.wpafb.af.mil/museum/research/fighter/f102.htm
> >
> > [snip F-106]
> >
> > http://www.wpafb.af.mil/museum/research/fighter/f106a.htm
> >
> > I have a lot of respect for anyone that flew the
> underpowered tin can
> > known as the 102.
> >
> > Denys
>
> If he flew the F-102B then it "could" be the same as an
> F-106. Although
> doubtful, since the Air Guard usually got Air Force hand-me-downs.
>
> It could also be possible he trained with the inert training version
> of the AIR-2B Genie nuclear air-to-air missile (ATR-2). This was a
> missile designed to take out entire bomber formations (assuming an
> enemy would fly in formations.) A direct hit would not be required.
> Survival of the shooter may not have been a requirement either.
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