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> Date:    Sat, 4 May 2002 02:27:40 -0700
> From:    Jeff Woods <[log in to unmask]>
> Subject: Re: HWP to be HPQ beginning Monday

> unix... and believe it or not, I actually find software development on MPE
> to be obtuse now.  Take editors as a case in point:  I've been fluent in
> Qedit [took the manual home to read over the weekend sometime back in the
> very early 1980s when I first had access to it], Quad, Voodoo (HPedit
> before it was lobotomized for sale) and at various times in various
> companies have used each of them on a day-in, day-out basis.  I can get
> around in Editor and WhisperTech's Programmer Studio.  But the editor I
> prefer above them all is vi.  Yes, lowly oft-scorned vi... present on every
> flavor of unix (including Linux), available on Windows (as vim and gvim),
> and even on MPE [where the half-duplex nature of terminal communication
> makes it something of a painful experience].  If you've tried vi on MPE and
> decided you didn't like it, try it on anything else... and take the plunge
> long enough to get over the first day's learning curve.  Once you know vi,

first day's learning curve? I think the vi learning curve is
being underestimated by those who know it. I used to recommend
it, but for 10 years I've been mainly in migrations and
integrating different systems, so I've been able to observe a
lot of people trying to make the transition. vi is so unintuitive
that I quickly gave up recommending it and just helped people
setup emacs (I don't use emacs myself).

But I'm glad you brought up gvim, the GUI vi version. It is available
on all major Unix versions too. Great transition tool. You can start
with a GUI editor and start using the more advanced features little
by little. Of course you have to run it under Xwindows on Unix (or KDE
for Linux) Also it has syntax hi-lighting that makes it a great tool
for editing code.

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Jerry Finn
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