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1. FS: Unused HP DLT tapes 40 gig C5141F
2. Serial to network interface (5)
3. How to setup an LPD printer on Windows or Linux? (2)
4. Backup (2)
5. Only The Most Beautiful Teens
6. OT: SETI as opposed to Cancer Research (2)
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8. OT: RE: unsubscribe hp3000-l (2)
9. Reset account (3)
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11. OT: Cancer Research, try uniteddevices
12. Bandwidth Questions :)
13. QEDIT Training !! <<PLUG>> EAST COAST TRAINING SITE
14. Network trace (2)
15. Error Code A476B1 (2)
16. Error A476B1
17. Calendar software (2)
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19. Seeing double? (2)
20. OT: Monday Humor
21. End of Support (3)
22. Webinar Series
23. OT: Extreme Programming (2)
24. Extreme Programming
25. Searching for the whole CR/LF story (6)
26. Thursday humor (and truth): Advice from Bill Gates
27. File Transfer help
28. Cobol - pass parms (2)
29. How to parse a Session Name from a TEMP File (7)
30. sendmail issue
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Date: Wed, 11 Apr 2001 23:46:41 -0500
From: Fumanchu <[log in to unmask]>
Subject: FS: Unused HP DLT tapes 40 gig C5141F
I have 6 of these tapes. All are brand new, and have never been used for
backup. All were opened and tested so I know they are all good. I still have
the cleaning cartridge as well, that is still sealed. $300 for all the tapes
and cleaning cartridge. I will pay shipping to anyone in the US or Canada.
Thanks.
Gord.
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Date: Thu, 12 Apr 2001 10:30:35 +0200
From: Christian Lheureux <[log in to unmask]>
Subject: Serial to network interface
Hi fellow listers,
Anyone knows of a JetDirect (or JetDirect-like) device allowing to hook a
serial printer (2562C) to a network ? I found nothing on the various HP
websites I've visited. Any suggestions ?
As usual, all help is greatly appreciated.
Christian Lheureux
Responsable du Département Systèmes et Réseaux / Head of Systems and
Networks Department
APPIC R.H.
business partner hp invent
Tel : +33-1-69-80-97-22 / Fax : +33-1-69-80-97-14 / e-mail :
[log in to unmask]
"Le Groupe APPIC recrute, contactez nous !"
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Date: Thu, 12 Apr 2001 11:19:11 +0100
From: Robert Mills <[log in to unmask]>
Subject: Re: Serial to network interface
Christian,
Don't think that HP does a JetDirect box that has a serial output. I posted
some stuff about connecting an HP2564 using a JetDirect Box and a standard
serial/parallel converter. Have a look in the archive.
regards,
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-----Original Message-----
From: Christian Lheureux [mailto:[log in to unmask]]
Sent: Thursday, April 12, 2001 9:31 AM
To: [log in to unmask]
Subject: Serial to network interface
Hi fellow listers,
Anyone knows of a JetDirect (or JetDirect-like) device allowing to hook a
serial printer (2562C) to a network ? I found nothing on the various HP
websites I've visited. Any suggestions ?
As usual, all help is greatly appreciated.
Christian Lheureux
Responsable du Département Systèmes et Réseaux / Head of Systems and
Networks Department
APPIC R.H.
business partner hp invent
Tel : +33-1-69-80-97-22 / Fax : +33-1-69-80-97-14 / e-mail :
[log in to unmask]
"Le Groupe APPIC recrute, contactez nous !"
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Date: Thu, 12 Apr 2001 06:16:38 -0500
From: Mark Undrill <[log in to unmask]>
Subject: Re: How to setup an LPD printer on Windows or Linux?
In article <[log in to unmask]>, Lars Appel
<[log in to unmask]> writes
>No off-topic tag, because it might end up not being off-topic ;-)
>
>I'd like to try Java based LPR freeware for sending a printout from
>the HP 3000, but I have no idea how to set up a printer or Windows PC
>or Linux machine to accept LPR/LPD.
>
>Does anybody have a "cheat-sheet" or "way to difficult warning"?
>
>Thanks. Lars.
>
Well I've done this on Windows by using a piece of shareware called
NIPrint form Network Instruments. It was pretty easy to set up. There
are lots of shareware LPD daemons available for Windows. I tried several
of them and they all seemed to work fine. I suggest an Internet search
for "LPD" and see what you find.
HTH
Regards
--
Mark Undrill
Affirm Limited
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Date: Thu, 12 Apr 2001 07:51:53 -0400
From: "Titus, Bill (Indsys,IT/e-Business)" <[log in to unmask]>
Subject: Re: Backup
I have a question concerning the approach mentioned below:
If filelist.pub.sys contained only "MPE" accounts, would the backup fail to
store posix directories, such as /bin /etc /lib ? This could be a nasty
surprise to find these directories missing after a reload.
Regards,
Bill Titus
> GE Industrial Systems
> ___________________________________
> William S. Titus
> Information Management
> GE Turbine Support Operation
> 6901 Elmwood Ave., Philadelphia, PA 19142 USA
> (215) 726-2026, Dial Comm: *245-2026
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-----Original Message-----
From: Jonathan M. Backus [mailto:[log in to unmask]]
Sent: Wednesday, April 11, 2001 3:24 PM
To: [log in to unmask]
Subject: Re: Backup
Donna,
I would do a full backup before a hardware conversion but to answer
your
question. I would probably change the store command to read "!STORE
^FILELIST.PUB.SYS;*T;DIRECTORY;ONVS=MPEXL_SYSTEM_VOLUME_SET,SG_APPL_VOLUME_S
ET;PROGRESS=1;SHOW=OFFLINE" and then create a redirect file
(FILELIST.PUB.SYS) with the list of accounts on your system volume and your
SGA account.
print filelist.pub.sys
@[log in to unmask]
@[log in to unmask]
.
.
.
@[log in to unmask]
Thanx,
Jonathan (Jon) M. Backus, MPE-CSM ~ President
Tech Group ~ 15 Catawba Place ~ Hagerstown, MD ~ 21742-6515
Email: [log in to unmask] ~ AIM: JMBackus
Vmail: 301.988.0614 ~ Fmail: 301.714.1854
Web: www.TechGroupMD.com
-----Original Message-----
From: HP-3000 Systems Discussion [mailto:[log in to unmask]]On
Behalf Of Donna Rivett
Sent: Wednesday, April 11, 2001 3:08 PM
To: [log in to unmask]
Subject: Backup
Hi All -
I'm trying to set up a limited backup tonight for a hardware conversion. How
would I change these lines in the backup job so that I could back up all
system files that are on the MPEXL_SYSTEM_VOLUME_SET and only the @[log in to unmask]
files on the SG_APPL_VOLUME_SET instead of all files on the
SG_APPL_VOLUME_SET. These are the 2 lines I would need to change.
!STORE @[log in to unmask]@;*T;DIRECTORY;ONVS=MPEXL_SYSTEM_VOLUME_SET,&
!SG_APPL_VOLUME_SET;PROGRESS=1;SHOW=OFFLINE
Thanks very much for your help!
Donna Rivett
HP System Administrator/Project Coordinator
Northern Safety Co., Inc.
Phone 315 793-4990
Fax 315 793-4975
Email [log in to unmask]
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Date: Thu, 12 Apr 2001 07:59:27 -0400
From: "Jonathan M. Backus" <[log in to unmask]>
Subject: Re: Backup
Bill,
Very good point. You are correct. To have the backup include the
posix
files you would need to use the HFS syntax in the redirect file instead of
the MPE syntax.
Thanx,
Jon
-----Original Message-----
From: HP-3000 Systems Discussion [mailto:[log in to unmask]]On
Behalf Of Titus, Bill (Indsys,IT/e-Business)
Sent: Thursday, April 12, 2001 7:52 AM
To: [log in to unmask]
Subject: Re: Backup
I have a question concerning the approach mentioned below:
If filelist.pub.sys contained only "MPE" accounts, would the backup fail to
store posix directories, such as /bin /etc /lib ? This could be a nasty
surprise to find these directories missing after a reload.
Regards,
Bill Titus
> GE Industrial Systems
> ___________________________________
> William S. Titus
> Information Management
> GE Turbine Support Operation
> 6901 Elmwood Ave., Philadelphia, PA 19142 USA
> (215) 726-2026, Dial Comm: *245-2026
> Fax: (215) 726-2042, Dial Comm: *245-2042
> Internet Address: [log in to unmask]
>
-----Original Message-----
From: Jonathan M. Backus [mailto:[log in to unmask]]
Sent: Wednesday, April 11, 2001 3:24 PM
To: [log in to unmask]
Subject: Re: Backup
Donna,
I would do a full backup before a hardware conversion but to answer
your
question. I would probably change the store command to read "!STORE
^FILELIST.PUB.SYS;*T;DIRECTORY;ONVS=MPEXL_SYSTEM_VOLUME_SET,SG_APPL_VOLUME_S
ET;PROGRESS=1;SHOW=OFFLINE" and then create a redirect file
(FILELIST.PUB.SYS) with the list of accounts on your system volume and your
SGA account.
print filelist.pub.sys
@[log in to unmask]
@[log in to unmask]
.
.
.
@[log in to unmask]
Thanx,
Jonathan (Jon) M. Backus, MPE-CSM ~ President
Tech Group ~ 15 Catawba Place ~ Hagerstown, MD ~ 21742-6515
Email: [log in to unmask] ~ AIM: JMBackus
Vmail: 301.988.0614 ~ Fmail: 301.714.1854
Web: www.TechGroupMD.com
-----Original Message-----
From: HP-3000 Systems Discussion [mailto:[log in to unmask]]On
Behalf Of Donna Rivett
Sent: Wednesday, April 11, 2001 3:08 PM
To: [log in to unmask]
Subject: Backup
Hi All -
I'm trying to set up a limited backup tonight for a hardware conversion. How
would I change these lines in the backup job so that I could back up all
system files that are on the MPEXL_SYSTEM_VOLUME_SET and only the @[log in to unmask]
files on the SG_APPL_VOLUME_SET instead of all files on the
SG_APPL_VOLUME_SET. These are the 2 lines I would need to change.
!STORE @[log in to unmask]@;*T;DIRECTORY;ONVS=MPEXL_SYSTEM_VOLUME_SET,&
!SG_APPL_VOLUME_SET;PROGRESS=1;SHOW=OFFLINE
Thanks very much for your help!
Donna Rivett
HP System Administrator/Project Coordinator
Northern Safety Co., Inc.
Phone 315 793-4990
Fax 315 793-4975
Email [log in to unmask]
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Date: Thu, 12 Apr 2001 07:43:37 -0500
From: Cynthia Fowler <[log in to unmask]>
Subject: Re: Serial to network interface
There are two products and we use both of them on 2562C and 2563C
printers. The one we like best (although they both do the job) is :
Troy XCC, a Troy Group Company, Inc.
Product: XConnect-IIL-T, 10baseT assembly
www.xcd.com
The other one is:
Extended Systems
ExtendNet, 100s, ESI-2941
www.extendedsystems.com
1-800-235-7576 or 1-208-322-7800
Hope this helps.
Cynthia Bridges-Fowler
MIS Operations Analyst
IMC Salt, Inc., a division of IMC Global
Overland Park, KS
[log in to unmask]
http://www.imcsalt.com
>>> Christian Lheureux <[log in to unmask]> 04/12/01 03:30AM >>>
Hi fellow listers,
Anyone knows of a JetDirect (or JetDirect-like) device allowing to hook
a
serial printer (2562C) to a network ? I found nothing on the various
HP
websites I've visited. Any suggestions ?
As usual, all help is greatly appreciated.
Christian Lheureux
Responsable du Departement Systemes et Reseaux / Head of Systems and
Networks Department
APPIC R.H.
business partner hp invent
Tel : +33-1-69-80-97-22 / Fax : +33-1-69-80-97-14 / e-mail :
[log in to unmask]
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Date: Thu, 12 Apr 2001 09:14:01 -0400
From: Tom Brandt <[log in to unmask]>
Subject: Re: OT: SETI as opposed to Cancer Research
At 06:38 PM 4/11/2001 -0400, Jeff Kell wrote:
>Juno.com's new user agreement allows for them to run distributed
>applications on your machine anytime you're connected "at their
>discretion". Commercialized distributed computing is almost, if not
>more distasteful to me than spam.
>
I don't have a problem with this. There is no such thing as a free lunch,
and since advertising has not generated sufficient revenue for "free"
portals like Juno, asking users who don't want pay cash for internet access
to pay instead with computing cycles is not, I think, unreasonable. As long
as Juno users know what they are getting into, what is the harm?
--------------------------------
Tom Brandt
Northtech Systems, Inc.
I'd never sign up for this kind of service, though.
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Date: Thu, 12 Apr 2001 09:29:23 EDT
From: Robert Cullinan <[log in to unmask]>
Subject: unsubscribe hp3000-l
Please take me off the list.
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Date: Thu, 12 Apr 2001 09:28:28 -0400
From: Tom Brandt <[log in to unmask]>
Subject: Re: unsubscribe hp3000-l
At 09:29 AM 4/12/2001 -0400, Robert Cullinan wrote:
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Northtech Systems, Inc.
313 N. 1st Street
Ann Arbor, MI 48103
http://www.northtech.com/
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Date: Thu, 12 Apr 2001 14:51:32 +0100
From: Stephens Gary <[log in to unmask]>
Subject: Re: unsubscribe hp3000-l
Quite scary really :-)
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-----Original Message-----
From: Tom Brandt [mailto:[log in to unmask]]
Sent: 12 April 2001 14:28
To: [log in to unmask]
Subject: Re: unsubscribe hp3000-l
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Date: Thu, 12 Apr 2001 09:13:19 -0500
From: Denys Beauchemin <[log in to unmask]>
Subject: Re: unsubscribe hp3000-l
Congratulations, you have taken the very first step in unsubscribing from
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emanating from this list. Good luck to you.
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-----Original Message-----
From: Robert Cullinan [SMTP:[log in to unmask]]
Sent: Thursday, April 12, 2001 8:29 AM
To: [log in to unmask]
Subject: unsubscribe hp3000-l
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Date: Thu, 12 Apr 2001 10:15:08 -0400
From: Tom Hula <[log in to unmask]>
Subject: Re: OT: SETI as opposed to Cancer Research
Another cancer research one that you can look into is United Devices at
www.ud.com
Tom Hula
Victor S. Barnes Company
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Date: Thu, 12 Apr 2001 08:06:08 -0700
From: Adam Dorritie <[log in to unmask]>
Subject: OT: RE: unsubscribe hp3000-l
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>
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Date: Thu, 12 Apr 2001 11:20:58 -0500
From: Steve Hammond <[log in to unmask]>
Subject: Reset account
I know I asked this once before, but I can't remember -
how do I reset the CPU-second and CPU-minutes that appear in a REPORT @.@
thx
steve
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Date: Thu, 12 Apr 2001 09:20:55 -0600
From: "Reynolds, James" <[log in to unmask]>
Subject: Re: Reset account
Steve,
It's RESETACCT @ for all accounts on the System.
Do a help RESETACCT for more detail.
James
James Reynolds
HP3000 System Administrator
Presbyterian Health Plan
Suite 300
2501 Buena Vista S.E
Albuquerque, NM 87106
[log in to unmask]
505-923-8076
-----Original Message-----
From: Steve Hammond [mailto:[log in to unmask]]
Sent: Thursday, April 12, 2001 10:21 AM
To: [log in to unmask]
Subject: [HP3000-L] Reset account
I know I asked this once before, but I can't remember -
how do I reset the CPU-second and CPU-minutes that appear in a REPORT @.@
thx
steve
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Date: Thu, 12 Apr 2001 10:28:05 -0500
From: Denys Beauchemin <[log in to unmask]>
Subject: Re: Reset account
Your subject line is the answer. Reset Account is resetacct.
Kind regards,
Denys. . .
Denys Beauchemin
HICOMP
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-----Original Message-----
From: Steve Hammond [SMTP:[log in to unmask]]
Sent: Thursday, April 12, 2001 11:21 AM
To: [log in to unmask]
Subject: Reset account
I know I asked this once before, but I can't remember -
how do I reset the CPU-second and CPU-minutes that appear in a REPORT @.@
thx
steve
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Date: Thu, 12 Apr 2001 08:35:57 -0700
From: Jeff Kubler <[log in to unmask]>
Subject: SUPRTOOL Training !! <<PLUG>> EAST COAST TRAINING SITE
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Date: Thu, 12 Apr 2001 10:31:28 -0500
From: Thomas Hoffmann <[log in to unmask]>
Subject: Re: OT: Cancer Research, try uniteddevices
We have chosen to donate our cpu-cycles for the CANCER project via
http://www.uniteddevices.com/home.htm
it works fine, and you have a screensaver who shows you, what your pc is
doing.
Thomas Hoffmann
"COLE,GLENN (Non-HP-SantaClara,ex2)" wrote:
> James Alexander writes:
>
> > While I think the SETI project is fun, why don't we use our computing
> power
> > for something more constructive like Cancer Research?
> ...
> > The web site to check out is http://www.parabon.com/cac.jsp
>
> I'm absolutely all for the idea, but I'm not keen on the Parabon approach.
>
> They note at
>
> http://www.ctrf.org/parabon.htm
>
> (and, since the same engine is used, I assume this is true for all
> of Parabon's partners):
>
> 'Pioneer puts this unused power, or "idle time," to use running tasks
> for cancer researchers and Parabon's commercial clients. Not all of the
> tasks that run on your computer will be cancer related, but many will.'
>
> Not even "most," but "many." So "most" of the time, I'd be donating
> free computing power for their commercial gain.
>
> Until someone comes up with a better approach, I'll stick with SETI.
> Just my opinion.
>
> --Glenn
>
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Date: Thu, 12 Apr 2001 08:56:46 -0700
From: Art Bahrs <[log in to unmask]>
Subject: Bandwidth Questions :)
Hi All :)
Ok... we are bringing up one of our offices (first of about 50) on
ClearCube PC's using Minisoft to talk to our 979-200 (Milo) via Routers and
FrameRelay circuit...
We are seeing some "weirdities" (and yep this is related to my VT Server
questions which Lane, John and others provided great answers and lots of
help on! and seems to have been solved Thanks to all who answered...)
First, we can't get these PC's to bring up a web page without hanging!!!
(the pc's are also being used to talk to Oracle on our 9000 (Rosebud notice
a trend in our server names? we also have Opus, Bill and a Banana Jr.!
hehe)) All web pages (even my personal one with no graphics and less than 2k
of text on it!) lock up the PC's...
We have 32kb CIR on a 56k circuit for the Frame Relay.
Secondly, the connections to Milo (our 979) shutdown .... now Windows is
still able to work.... just that the user is apparently logged off of our
979 because of no data seems to going between the PC and Milo... They will
run for hours without trouble some times and other times logon and BAM! (tm
Emeril hehe) gone...
Any Ideas? Do we need to get a bigger circuit? Is there Router Black Magic
that needs to be performed?
Thanks,
Art "terminals may not be so bad after all hehehe" Bahrs
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Date: Thu, 12 Apr 2001 08:50:57 -0700
From: Jeff Kubler <[log in to unmask]>
Subject: QEDIT Training !! <<PLUG>> EAST COAST TRAINING SITE
To all;
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If you can't make this training and are interested in future courses or
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Additional information on travel arrangements and registration can be found
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Thanks,
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Jeff Kubler
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Date: Thu, 12 Apr 2001 12:38:05 -0400
From: Jeff Kell <[log in to unmask]>
Subject: Re: unsubscribe hp3000-l
Robert Cullinan wrote:
>
> Please take me off the list.
>
> Robert Cullinan
>
> * To join/leave the list, search archives, change list settings, etc *
> * please visit http://raven.utc.edu/archives/hp3000-l.html *
I guess some folks can't read:-)
Jeff
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Date: Thu, 12 Apr 2001 09:42:42 -0700
From: Tracy Pierce <[log in to unmask]>
Subject: Re: unsubscribe hp3000-l
I bet the majority of folks here will figure out how to unsubscribe, etc.
For those who didn't bother to save their Listserv info sheet when they
joined, rather than
a) give them a bad time
b) waste a bunch of bandwidth including instructions in EVERY posting
why not just save a draft email containing the how-to message, then ship it
off to these (horribly offensive) unsubscribe requestors as is appropriate?
I generally respond to desperate unsubscribers by simply forwarding a copy
of this...
HP3000-L Frequently Asked Questions
-> http://www.3k.com/faq/hpfaqi.html
Weekly Highlights (with links to details and search)
-> http://www.interex.org/3000lsum/summary.html
Threaded Archive (recent postings arranged by topic)
-> http://www.optc.com/Webbot/
Access via the "mirrored" Newsgroup (read & write)
-> news:comp.sys.hp.mpe
Newsgroup access & search via the DejaNews web site
-> http://www.dejanews.com/bg.xp?level=3Dcomp.sys.hp.mpe
Sending questions or posting via eMail
-> mailto:[log in to unmask]
Sending eMail subscription requests to the listserv "robot"
-> mailto:[log in to unmask]
...which lives in my "Save this Newsgroup Info" folder. It's probably more
than they need, but then, they might come back, too!
Tracy Pierce
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Adam Dorritie [mailto:[log in to unmask]]
> Sent: Thursday, April 12, 2001 8:06 AM
> To: [log in to unmask]
> Subject: OT: RE: unsubscribe hp3000-l
>
>
> Well, so much for the trailer being added. Perhaps we should
> try reverse
> psychology and add the following trailer:
>
> * To join/leave the list, search archives, change list settings, etc *
> * please send an e-mail to the list requesting/begging/demanding *
> * that someone manually provide you with the service you require *
>
> Adam Dorritie
> Easy Does It Technologies LLC
> http://www.editcorp.com
> (702) 270-6402
>
> Robert Cullinan writes:
>
> > Please take me off the list.
> >
> > Robert Cullinan
> >
> > * To join/leave the list, search archives, change list
> settings, etc *
> > * please visit
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>
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* please visit http://raven.utc.edu/archives/hp3000-l.html *
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Date: Thu, 12 Apr 2001 09:35:56 -0700
From: John Clogg <[log in to unmask]>
Subject: Re: Network trace
Ron Horner asks:
>How can one trace a package from an HP3000 to the outside world??
TRACERT is available as a beta patch. NSTFDX4A for 6.5, or NSTFDX5A for
6.5. These patch IDs were taken from a posting from James Hofmeister on
January 30. Thanks, James.
-----Original Message-----
From: Ronald R Horner [mailto:[log in to unmask]]
Sent: Wednesday, April 11, 2001 8:02 PM
To: [log in to unmask]
Subject: Network trace
How can one trace a package from an HP3000 to the outside world??
Just wondering.
Thanks!!
--
Ron Horner
HP3000 Systems Administrator
JCPenney Logistics
[log in to unmask]
(414) 259-2274
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Date: Thu, 12 Apr 2001 09:53:37 -0700
From: John Clogg <[log in to unmask]>
Subject: Re: Network trace
OOPS!! As James pointed out, I described both patches as being for 6.5. If
only my fingers would do as they're told! The first was for 6.0.
-----Original Message-----
From: Reynolds, James [mailto:[log in to unmask]]
Sent: Thursday, April 12, 2001 9:39 AM
To: 'John Clogg'
Subject: RE: [HP3000-L] Network trace
John,,, Are both of these patches for 6.5?
-----Original Message-----
From: John Clogg [ mailto:[log in to unmask] <mailto:[log in to unmask]> ]
Sent: Thursday, April 12, 2001 10:36 AM
To: [log in to unmask]
Subject: Re: [HP3000-L] Network trace
Ron Horner asks:
>How can one trace a package from an HP3000 to the outside world??
TRACERT is available as a beta patch. NSTFDX4A for 6.5, or NSTFDX5A for
6.5. These patch IDs were taken from a posting from James Hofmeister on
January 30. Thanks, James.
-----Original Message-----
From: Ronald R Horner [ mailto:[log in to unmask]
<mailto:[log in to unmask]> ]
Sent: Wednesday, April 11, 2001 8:02 PM
To: [log in to unmask]
Subject: Network trace
How can one trace a package from an HP3000 to the outside world??
Just wondering.
Thanks!!
--
Ron Horner
HP3000 Systems Administrator
JCPenney Logistics
[log in to unmask]
(414) 259-2274
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Date: Thu, 12 Apr 2001 13:03:43 -0400
From: Connie Sellitto <[log in to unmask]>
Subject: OT: RE: unsubscribe hp3000-l
Yes, - the trailer gives clear instructions as to how to leave this list,
but why NOT allow a user to send an email with 'unsubscribe' as its subject
, instead? Many other lists do just that - let's be consistent!
Connie
>
>Well, so much for the trailer being added. Perhaps we should try reverse
>psychology and add the following trailer:
>
>* To join/leave the list, search archives, change list settings, etc *
>* please send an e-mail to the list requesting/begging/demanding *
>* that someone manually provide you with the service you require *
>
>Adam Dorritie
snip
>Robert Cullinan writes:
>
>> Please take me off the list.
>>
>> Robert Cullinan
>>
>> * To join/leave the list, search archives, change list settings, etc *
>> * please visit http://raven.utc.edu/archives/hp3000-l.html *
>>
>
>* To join/leave the list, search archives, change list settings, etc *
>* please visit http://raven.utc.edu/archives/hp3000-l.html *
>
Connie Sellitto
Cat Fanciers' Association, Inc.
World's Largest Pedigreed Cat Registry
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Date: Thu, 12 Apr 2001 10:26:46 -0700
From: Efren Castro <[log in to unmask]>
Subject: Error Code A476B1
Has anyone seen this error message
-A476B1 - Internal Function Check
If so what is it
Thanks Everyone
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Date: Thu, 12 Apr 2001 10:34:55 -0700
From: Efren Castro <[log in to unmask]>
Subject: Error A476B1
Has anyone seen this error message on MPE/ix 5.5
A476B1 - Internal Function Check
If so what is it
Thanks Everyone
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Date: Thu, 12 Apr 2001 10:40:25 -0700
From: Gavin Scott <[log in to unmask]>
Subject: Re: unsubscribe hp3000-l
Jeff wrote:
> Robert Cullinan wrote:
> >
> > Please take me off the list.
> >
> > Robert Cullinan
> >
> > * To join/leave the list, search archives, change list settings, etc *
> > * please visit http://raven.utc.edu/archives/hp3000-l.html *
>
> I guess some folks can't read:-)
Told ya so! I move that we remove the trailer because it is an ugly waste
of space and clearly doesn't work.
G.
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> * please visit http://raven.utc.edu/archives/hp3000-l.html *
>
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Date: Thu, 12 Apr 2001 10:49:15 -0700
From: Gavin Scott <[log in to unmask]>
Subject: Re: Error Code A476B1
Efren asks:
> Has anyone seen this error message
>
> -A476B1 - Internal Function Check
It doesn't feel like an HP message, so I would guess that it might have come
out of something like a Cognos product, etc., but I really have no idea.
It might help if you told us where the message showed up.
G.
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Date: Thu, 12 Apr 2001 12:57:43 -0500
From: "Eric H. Sand" <[log in to unmask]>
Subject: unsubscribe hp3000-l
I second that....I think the trailer needs to only show for some period of
time that is widely spaced, perhaps for all items posted the first Monday of
each month or something similar.
Eric Sand
[log in to unmask]
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Gavin Scott [SMTP:[log in to unmask]]
> Sent: Thursday, April 12, 2001 10:40 AM
> To: [log in to unmask]
> Subject: Re: [HP3000-L] unsubscribe hp3000-l
>
> Jeff wrote:
> > Robert Cullinan wrote:
> > >
> > > Please take me off the list.
> > >
> > > Robert Cullinan
> > >
> > > * To join/leave the list, search archives, change list settings, etc *
> > > * please visit http://raven.utc.edu/archives/hp3000-l.html *
> >
> > I guess some folks can't read:-)
>
> Told ya so! I move that we remove the trailer because it is an ugly waste
> of space and clearly doesn't work.
>
> G.
>
> > * To join/leave the list, search archives, change list settings, etc *
> > * please visit http://raven.utc.edu/archives/hp3000-l.html *
> >
>
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> * please visit http://raven.utc.edu/archives/hp3000-l.html *
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Date: Thu, 12 Apr 2001 13:52:15 -0400
From: Frank Gribbin <[log in to unmask]>
Subject: Re: Calendar software
Thanks Guy,
I visited the website and one of the installed sites. Looks useful. Any
gotchas from your experience ? Has the bug fix been rolled into the
download or do I have to request it ?
Frank Gribbin
Potter Anderson & Corroon LLP
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Date: Thu, 12 Apr 2001 11:14:18 -0700
From: "James P. Keller" <[log in to unmask]>
Subject: Re: Interex web site ???
Just now getting caught up on email...We were having router problems for
about 3 hours yesterday...And the electricity was on and everything...Jim
From: "Jonathan M. Backus" <[log in to unmask]>
> Is the Interex web site (www.interex.org) down or is it just me?
>
> Thanx,
James P. Keller Ph: 408.743.4610 Interex
Director, Tech Svcs Fx: 408.747.0947 1192 Borregas Ave.
[log in to unmask] http://www.interex.org/ Sunnyvale, CA 94089
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Date: Thu, 12 Apr 2001 14:37:32 -0400
From: Mark Wonsil <[log in to unmask]>
Subject: Seeing double?
I have been getting doubles of postings today, and only from HP3000-L. Just
me?
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Date: Thu, 12 Apr 2001 11:53:55 -0700
From: "Newton, Tony" <[log in to unmask]>
Subject: Re: Seeing double?
No. :-) :-) :-)
___
Tony Newton
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Mark Wonsil [mailto:[log in to unmask]]
> Sent: Thursday, April 12, 2001 11:38 AM
> To: [log in to unmask]
> Subject: [HP3000-L] Seeing double?
>
>
> I have been getting doubles of postings today, and only from
> HP3000-L. Just
> me?
>
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> * please visit http://raven.utc.edu/archives/hp3000-l.html *
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Date: Thu, 12 Apr 2001 12:07:32 -0700
From: "PAUL,GUY (HP-Boise,ex1)" <[log in to unmask]>
Subject: Re: Calendar software
The only "gotcha" was the one I've already mentioned. Due to the truncate
function not being implemented it caused several modules to not work.
Other than that, absolutely no problems have been seen. I initially
installed
Calcium on MPE/iX 5.5.7 w/Apache 1.2.5 w/perl 5.5003 and have since gone to
MPE/iX 6.0.2 w/Apache 1.3.4 w/perl 5.6.0.
I should mention a minor problem with the email reminders feature if you
decided
to buy that for an extra $99, doesn't work as advertised. In the software
you
would start the reminder process from an administrator screen and set the
pause
interval. It launches the reminder process ok but fails when it tries to
"fork".
The workaround is to create a job that loops between executing the reminder
script
and pausing x number of seconds.
I wouldn't be surprised if the developer (Fred Steinberg) has already rolled
the truncate fix into the package since there is more than one OS that
doesn't support
truncate. At any case, I would mention you needed the "MPE Friendly"
version.
-Guy
-----Original Message-----
From: Frank Gribbin [mailto:[log in to unmask]]
Sent: Thursday, April 12, 2001 11:52
To: HP3000 List; Guy Paul
Subject: Re: Calendar software
Thanks Guy,
I visited the website and one of the installed sites. Looks useful. Any
gotchas from your experience ? Has the bug fix been rolled into the
download or do I have to request it ?
Frank Gribbin
Potter Anderson & Corroon LLP
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Date: Thu, 12 Apr 2001 15:10:08 -0400
From: Mark Wonsil <[log in to unmask]>
Subject: Re: OT: Monday Humor
Sorry, I was out of town at a funeral this week and it looks like this
thread went long but...
Right hand on a Macintosh, left hand on a ski-pole, left knee on the
steering wheel, HP e3000 in backpack, no broken chains on the tires, hashing
algorithms humming through the driver's head. GUATEMALA or IDAHO.
Right hand holding an Enchilada, Left hand holding a copy of "The Origin of
Life", heads up Telnet display on the windshield, either 3/4 of the history
of the universe or a bad pun humming through the driver's head, and bumper
sticker that says, "XML SUCKS". NEW MEXICO
> -----Original Message-----
> From: HP-3000 Systems Discussion [mailto:[log in to unmask]]On
> Behalf Of Peter Osborne
> Sent: Monday, April 09, 2001 12:06 PM
> To: [log in to unmask]
> Subject: Re: [HP3000-L] OT: Monday Humor
>
>
> 13. One Hand on the wheel, One hand holding a Tim Horton's
> Coffee, Head
> Pinching a cell against your shoulder, going 150km/h in the
> middle lane of
> Hwy 401 while "Maniacs" zip by at 170km/h: CANADA
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Date: Thu, 12 Apr 2001 14:13:54 -0500
From: Paul Edwards <[log in to unmask]>
Subject: End of Support
From HP:
939KS and 959KS End of Support
The HP e3000 959KS and 939KS servers will reach end of support effective
March 31, 2003.
939KS Server
------------
A3200A
A3200AR
959KS Server
------------
A3204A
A3204AR
A3201A
A3201AR
A3202A
A3202AR
A3203A
A3203AR
No future support contracts will be written for these HP e3000 servers with
an end date beyond March 31, 2003.
This does not include the 939KS/030 which will discontinued in the second
half of 2001.
--
***************************************************************
Paul Edwards HP 3000 Certified Consultant
Paul Edwards & Associates Phone: (972) 242-6660
1506 Estates Way Fax : (972) 446-9022
Carrollton TX 75006 Email: [log in to unmask]
***************************************************************
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Date: Thu, 12 Apr 2001 14:17:26 -0500
From: Paul Edwards <[log in to unmask]>
Subject: Webinar Series
The registration website will probably be available late next week.
WEBINAR SERIES
HP is offering a quarterly customer focused webinar series. These webcasts
will focus on specific technologies available on the hp e3000 and how to use
them. The second in this quarterly series is scheduled as follows:
Date: Tuesday, May 15, 2001
Time: 8:30-9:30 Pacific
Focus: Internet and Interoperability Opportunities on the HP e3000
Many of our current customers are not aware of everything that
is available on the HP e3000 to solve their current business
needs. This program will review many of the I&I technologies
available on the HP e3000. We will walk through a number of
business scenarios and talk about when to use these technologies.
Examples of this would be when to use Java or Samba or using a
standard web server vs the need for a secure web server.
Customers will leave this webcast with a better understanding of
the I&I offerings on the hP e3000 and some solid ideas on how to
use them in their current environments.
--
***************************************************************
Paul Edwards HP 3000 Certified Consultant
Paul Edwards & Associates Phone: (972) 242-6660
1506 Estates Way Fax : (972) 446-9022
Carrollton TX 75006 Email: [log in to unmask]
***************************************************************
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Date: Thu, 12 Apr 2001 15:17:16 -0400
From: Mike Hornsby <[log in to unmask]>
Subject: Re: End of Support
Another nice table of EOS dates can be found at:
http://www.hp3000links.com/eos3000.htm
----- Original Message -----
From: "Paul Edwards" <[log in to unmask]>
To: <[log in to unmask]>
Sent: Thursday, April 12, 2001 3:13 PM
Subject: [HP3000-L] End of Support
> From HP:
>
> 939KS and 959KS End of Support
> The HP e3000 959KS and 939KS servers will reach end of support effective
> March 31, 2003.
>
> 939KS Server
> ------------
> A3200A
> A3200AR
>
> 959KS Server
> ------------
> A3204A
> A3204AR
> A3201A
> A3201AR
> A3202A
> A3202AR
> A3203A
> A3203AR
>
> No future support contracts will be written for these HP e3000 servers
with
> an end date beyond March 31, 2003.
>
> This does not include the 939KS/030 which will discontinued in the second
> half of 2001.
>
> --
> ***************************************************************
> Paul Edwards HP 3000 Certified Consultant
> Paul Edwards & Associates Phone: (972) 242-6660
> 1506 Estates Way Fax : (972) 446-9022
> Carrollton TX 75006 Email: [log in to unmask]
> ***************************************************************
>
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Date: Thu, 12 Apr 2001 15:30:56 -0400
From: Mark Wonsil <[log in to unmask]>
Subject: OT: Extreme Programming
For those who were at HP World, Gavin Scott spoke about Extreme Programming
at the Java Sig. It's starting to show up in the main-stream industry
press:
An explanation in ComputerWorld:
http://www.computerworld.com/cwi/story/0,1199,NAV47_STO59388,00.html
The XP mailing list blasting XML:
http://www.xml.com/pub/a/2001/04/04/xp.htm
Interesting stuff. Well, at least for those who need a life...
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Date: Thu, 12 Apr 2001 12:43:37 -0700
From: Neil Armstrong <[log in to unmask]>
Subject: Re: Extreme Programming
If you are interested in Extreme Programming.
Don't forget the following link as well:
http://www.extremeprogramming.org/
Like any methodology their are those who are hyper-crtical
if you don't follow the rules *exactly* as mapped out. My
preference is to just take the best of some different
methodologies that work for you.
Some of the things I like about Extremeprogramming are:
1) Writing the test case beforehand
2) Getting user stories. (althought not quite to the degree as some
companies)
3) Paired Programming
4) Make frequent small releases
5) No overtime. :)
Some other interesting links are:
http://c2.com/cgi/wiki?ProgrammingInPairs
http://www.xprogramming.com/Practices/PracPairs.html
Many of the concepts are parallel to the Step by Step Method that
we have used at Robelle for some time.
Neil
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Mark Wonsil [mailto:[log in to unmask]]
> Sent: Thursday, April 12, 2001 1:31 PM
> To: [log in to unmask]
> Subject: OT: Extreme Programming
>
>
> For those who were at HP World, Gavin Scott spoke about
> Extreme Programming
> at the Java Sig. It's starting to show up in the main-stream industry
> press:
>
> An explanation in ComputerWorld:
>
> http://www.computerworld.com/cwi/story/0,1199,NAV47_STO59388,00.html
>
> The XP mailing list blasting XML:
>
> http://www.xml.com/pub/a/2001/04/04/xp.htm
>
> Interesting stuff. Well, at least for those who need a life...
>
> * To join/leave the list, search archives, change list settings, etc *
> * please visit http://raven.utc.edu/archives/hp3000-l.html *
>
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Date: Thu, 12 Apr 2001 15:51:04 -0400
From: Mark Wonsil <[log in to unmask]>
Subject: OT: Extreme Programming
Whoops, the second link lost the trailing 'l'. It should be:
http://www.xml.com/pub/a/2001/04/04/xp.html
-----Original Message-----
For those who were at HP World, Gavin Scott spoke about Extreme Programming
at the Java Sig. It's starting to show up in the main-stream industry
press:
An explanation in ComputerWorld:
http://www.computerworld.com/cwi/story/0,1199,NAV47_STO59388,00.html
The XP mailing list blasting XML:
http://www.xml.com/pub/a/2001/04/04/xp.htm
Interesting stuff. Well, at least for those who need a life...
------------------------------
Date: Thu, 12 Apr 2001 12:54:23 -0700
From: "Newton, Tony" <[log in to unmask]>
Subject: Searching for the whole CR/LF story
Hello all,
I have a file that has 2 LF's and 1CR at the end of each line, however when
I look at it with "Display Functions" turned on in Reflection there are no
additional lines in between each line of data. So if each 'lf' below is a
linefeed and each 'cr' is a carriage return then I would expect that it
would look like the following:
Example 1.
lf
data lfcr
lf
data lfcr
lf
data lfcr
lf
data lfcr
But instead it always display's in the following format:
Example 2.
lf data lfcr
lf data lfcr
lf data lfcr
lf data lfcr
Some of our other files only have 1 'lf' and 1 'cr' and they always come up
in the same format as example #2. Are my expectations in error? Here is
some additional information about the file.
FILENAME CODE ------------LOGICAL RECORD----------- ----SPACE----
SIZE TYP EOF LIMIT R/B SECTORS #X MX
DMEMBR03 8960B VA 23216 50000 1 31936 19 32
Thanx all,
___
Tony Newton | [log in to unmask]
HP Systems Admin | (503) 574-5831
Providence Health Plan | www.providence.org
<<All views are mine and probably only mine>>
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Date: Thu, 12 Apr 2001 15:00:30 -0500
From: Cynthia Fowler <[log in to unmask]>
Subject: Re: End of Support
Some of the dates on the web site do not agree with the dates in Paul's
original message. I.e.,
Paul/HP Website
959KS A3204A 3/31/03 03/31/02
a whole year off. Who is correct?
Cynthia Bridges-Fowler
MIS Operations Analyst
IMC Salt, Inc., a division of IMC Global
Overland Park, KS
[log in to unmask]
http://www.imcsalt.com
>>> Mike Hornsby <[log in to unmask]> 04/12/01 02:17PM >>>
Another nice table of EOS dates can be found at:
http://www.hp3000links.com/eos3000.htm
----- Original Message -----
From: "Paul Edwards" <[log in to unmask]>
To: <[log in to unmask]>
Sent: Thursday, April 12, 2001 3:13 PM
Subject: [HP3000-L] End of Support
> From HP:
>
> 939KS and 959KS End of Support
> The HP e3000 959KS and 939KS servers will reach end of support
effective
> March 31, 2003.
>
> 939KS Server
> ------------
> A3200A
> A3200AR
>
> 959KS Server
> ------------
> A3204A
> A3204AR
> A3201A
> A3201AR
> A3202A
> A3202AR
> A3203A
> A3203AR
>
> No future support contracts will be written for these HP e3000
servers
with
> an end date beyond March 31, 2003.
>
> This does not include the 939KS/030 which will discontinued in the
second
> half of 2001.
>
> --
> ***************************************************************
> Paul Edwards HP 3000 Certified Consultant
> Paul Edwards & Associates Phone: (972) 242-6660
> 1506 Estates Way Fax : (972) 446-9022
> Carrollton TX 75006 Email: [log in to unmask]
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Date: Thu, 12 Apr 2001 16:11:34 -0400
From: Ted Ashton <[log in to unmask]>
Subject: Re: unsubscribe hp3000-l
Thus it was written in the epistle of Gavin Scott,
> >
> > I guess some folks can't read:-)
>
> Told ya so! I move that we remove the trailer because it is an ugly waste
> of space and clearly doesn't work.
In support of Gavin's repeated advice, it's worth noticing that the problem
is
obviously that folks don't read. In specific, someone who is wanting to get
off the list by definition does not want to read the messages on the list.
So
attempting to communicate with such a person through the list messages seems
unlikely to be successful.
On the other hand (and the reason I didn't jump on Gavin's bandwagon
before),
the message talks also about looking up archives and changing
options--things
which the list subscribers may wish to do ('course I still don't expect that
they'll read it--we tend to ignore something which is just always there).
Ted
--
Ted Ashton ([log in to unmask]), Info Sys, Southern Adventist University
==========================================================
"Necessity is the mother of invention" is a silly proverb. "Necessity is the
mother of futile dodges" is much nearer the truth.
-- Whitehead, Alfred North
==========================================================
Deep thoughts to be found at http://www.southern.edu/~ashted
------------------------------
Date: Thu, 12 Apr 2001 13:13:55 -0700
From: Gavin Scott <[log in to unmask]>
Subject: Re: Searching for the whole CR/LF story
Tony writes:
> I have a file that has 2 LF's and 1CR at the end of each line,
> however when I look at it with "Display Functions" turned on
> in Reflection there are no additional lines in between each
> line of data.
> FILENAME CODE ------------LOGICAL RECORD----------- ----SPACE----
> SIZE TYP EOF LIMIT R/B SECTORS #X MX
> DMEMBR03 8960B VA 23216 50000 1 31936 19 32
What are you using to view the file? If it's a "Posix" program that's
expecting to see byte stream files, be aware that your file is an MPE
variable length file and if the program asks for byte stream access (any
standard shell program or anything else linked with the "Posix" version of
the C library) then it's going to be hooked up to the bytestream emulator
which is going to make you think that there's an extra LF character in the
file located between each MPE record.
Doing a binary tobyte on the file might eliminate your "extra" LFs if that's
what you want to do.
Lots of programs try to be clever in their handling of LS vs. CRLF vs. CR
line separators and in handling redundant separators, so you can't always be
sure that what you get is what you see.
G.
------------------------------
Date: Thu, 12 Apr 2001 22:19:56 +0200
From: Lars Appel <[log in to unmask]>
Subject: Re: unsubscribe hp3000-l
Tracy wrote:
> I generally respond to desperate unsubscribers by simply forwarding
> a copy of this...
>
> HP3000-L Frequently Asked Questions
> -> http://www.3k.com/faq/hpfaqi.html
[snip]
> Sending eMail subscription requests to the listserv "robot"
> -> mailto:[log in to unmask]
>
>....which lives in my "Save this Newsgroup Info" folder. It's probably
more
>than they need, but then, they might come back, too!
Hmmm. The (snipped) text sounds somewhat familiar. Hmmm. Ah. I know, why...
http://www.editcorp.com/Personal/Lars_Appel/hp3000-L_en.txt
Lars ;-)
------------------------------
Date: Thu, 12 Apr 2001 13:31:50 -0700
From: "Newton, Tony" <[log in to unmask]>
Subject: Re: Searching for the whole CR/LF story
Actually we are just printing it through a Reflection/Minisoft terminal
emulator. So, with "Display Functions" turned on then I guess we are seeing
whatever is actually in the file but the emulator then chooses the format on
how to display it?
The root cause of this question stems from a contractor who is FTP'ing files
down to his PC for editing and then FTP'ing them back to the e3000. He says
that upon upload he is losing the last LF in the file. He is using build
parms when FTP'ing them back however I'm not exactly sure what he's using as
build parms since he's at lunch. So, upon investigating it further I ran
into this question(Which was just more for my personal knowledge than for a
root cause of the above problem).
___
Tony Newton
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Gavin Scott [mailto:[log in to unmask]]
> Sent: Thursday, April 12, 2001 1:14 PM
> To: Newton, Tony; [log in to unmask]
> Subject: RE: [HP3000-L] Searching for the whole CR/LF story
>
>
> Tony writes:
> > I have a file that has 2 LF's and 1CR at the end of each line,
> > however when I look at it with "Display Functions" turned on
> > in Reflection there are no additional lines in between each
> > line of data.
>
> > FILENAME CODE ------------LOGICAL RECORD----------- ----SPACE----
> > SIZE TYP EOF LIMIT R/B SECTORS #X MX
> > DMEMBR03 8960B VA 23216 50000 1 31936 19 32
>
> What are you using to view the file? If it's a "Posix" program that's
> expecting to see byte stream files, be aware that your file is an MPE
> variable length file and if the program asks for byte stream
> access (any
> standard shell program or anything else linked with the
> "Posix" version of
> the C library) then it's going to be hooked up to the
> bytestream emulator
> which is going to make you think that there's an extra LF
> character in the
> file located between each MPE record.
>
> Doing a binary tobyte on the file might eliminate your
> "extra" LFs if that's
> what you want to do.
>
> Lots of programs try to be clever in their handling of LS vs.
> CRLF vs. CR
> line separators and in handling redundant separators, so you
> can't always be
> sure that what you get is what you see.
>
> G.
>
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Date: Thu, 12 Apr 2001 16:42:57 EDT
From: Wirt Atmar <[log in to unmask]>
Subject: Re: unsubscribe hp3000-l
Ted writes:
> Thus it was written in the epistle of Gavin Scott,
> > >
> > > I guess some folks can't read:-)
> >
> > Told ya so! I move that we remove the trailer because it is an ugly
waste
> > of space and clearly doesn't work.
>
> In support of Gavin's repeated advice, it's worth noticing that the
problem
> is
> obviously that folks don't read. In specific, someone who is wanting to
get
> off the list by definition does not want to read the messages on the
list.
> So
> attempting to communicate with such a person through the list messages
seems
> unlikely to be successful.
>
> On the other hand (and the reason I didn't jump on Gavin's bandwagon
before),
>
> the message talks also about looking up archives and changing options--
> things
> which the list subscribers may wish to do ('course I still don't expect
that
> they'll read it--we tend to ignore something which is just always there).
I not only disagree (and not merely because I originally recommended putting
the notice at the bottom of the page), I disagree in part because I am by
nature disagreeable :-), but also in part because the evidence at hand is
being misrepresented.
This one person's demonstrated inability to read is no indication of the
success or failure of anything. There is absolutely no data offered in
contradiction to demonstrate how successful the notice has been (that is,
how
many usenet users who have changed over to a list subscription because of
its
presence, or of how many users have signed off quietly and successfully,
without invoking the "Wrath of Jeff"). Unfortunately, as often happens in
the
real world, there is no easy way to get this contraindictive data -- other
than performing a relatively elaborate statistical analysis of the number of
signoffs and signons to the list before and after the appearance of the
notices.
Personally, I've already found the notice useful. Before its appearance, I
could never remember how to read the archives or change my settings. Now
it's
easy.
And as someone else mentioned, there are no standards for list memberships.
I
subscribe to eleven different lists, and virtually no two of them operate
under the same protocols. Having these notices at the bottom of the pages
actually makes things very easy for me to remember, and as a consequence,
HP3000-L has, in one swell foop, moved from being one of the most difficult
to remember how to manage its settings to being one of the easiest.
Wirt Atmar
------------------------------
Date: Thu, 12 Apr 2001 15:35:13 -0500
From: John Lee <[log in to unmask]>
Subject: Thursday humor (and truth): Advice from Bill Gates
>>>>
>>>>To anyone with kids, of any age, here's some advice Bill Gates recently
>>>>dished out at a high school speech about 11 things they DID NOT learn
>>in
>>>>school.
>>>>He talked about how feel-good, politically correct teaching has created
>>a
>>>>full generation of kids with no concept of reality and how this concept
>>set
>>>>them up for failure in the real world.
>>>>> >RULE 1 Life is not fair-get used to it.
>>>>> >RULE 2 The world won't care about your self-esteem. The world will
>>>>expect you to accomplish something BEFORE you feel good about yourself.
>>>>> >RULE 3 You will NOT make 40 thousand dollars a year right out of
>>high
>>>>school. You won't be a vice president with a car phone, until you
>>earn
>>>>both.
>>>>> >RULE 4 If you think your teacher is tough, wait till you get a boss.
>> He
>>>>doesn't have tenure.
>>>>> >RULE 5 Flipping burgers is not beneath your dignity. Your
>>grandparents
>>>>had a different word for burger flipping-they called it opportunity.
>>>>> >RULE 6 If you mess up, it's not your parents' fault, so don't whine
>>>>about your mistakes, learn from them.
>>>>> >RULE 7 Before you were born, your parents weren't as boring as they
>>are
>>>>now. They got that way from paying your bills, cleaning your clothes
>>and
>>>>listening to you talk about how cool you are. So before you save the
>>rain
>>>>forest from the parasites of your parent's generation, try delousing
>>the
>>>>closet in your own room.
>>>>> >RULE 8 Your school may have done away with winners and losers, but
>>life
>>>>has not. In some schools they have abolished failing grades and
>>they'll
>>>>give you as many times as you want to get the right answer. This
>>doesn't
>>>>bear the slightest resemblance to ANYTHING in real life.
>>>>> >RULE 9 Life is not divided into semesters. You don't get summers
>>off
>>>>>and
>>>>very few employers are interested in helping you find yourself. Do
>>that on
>>>>your own time.
>>>>> >RULE 10 Television is NOT real life. In real life people actually
>>have
>>>>to leave the coffee shop and go to jobs.
>>>>> >RULE 11 Be nice to nerds. Chances are you'll end up working for
>>one.
>>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
------------------------------
Date: Thu, 12 Apr 2001 13:44:27 -0700
From: "Newton, Tony" <[log in to unmask]>
Subject: Re: unsubscribe hp3000-l
I'd imagine that if everyone on the list sent them instructions on how to
unsubscribe then they might figure it out.
___
Tony "Talk about going back twenty years" Newton
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Lars Appel [mailto:[log in to unmask]]
> Sent: Thursday, April 12, 2001 1:20 PM
> To: [log in to unmask]
> Subject: Re: [HP3000-L] unsubscribe hp3000-l
>
>
> Tracy wrote:
>
> > I generally respond to desperate unsubscribers by simply forwarding
> > a copy of this...
> >
> > HP3000-L Frequently Asked Questions
> > -> http://www.3k.com/faq/hpfaqi.html
>
> [snip]
>
> > Sending eMail subscription requests to the listserv "robot"
> > -> mailto:[log in to unmask]
> >
> >....which lives in my "Save this Newsgroup Info" folder.
> It's probably more
> >than they need, but then, they might come back, too!
>
> Hmmm. The (snipped) text sounds somewhat familiar. Hmmm. Ah.
> I know, why...
>
> http://www.editcorp.com/Personal/Lars_Appel/hp3000-L_en.txt
>
> Lars ;-)
>
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Date: Thu, 12 Apr 2001 14:09:08 -0700
From: Tracy Pierce <[log in to unmask]>
Subject: Re: Searching for the whole CR/LF story
I believe the reason you see what you see is that when in DisplayFunctions
mode, a CR causes a linefeed, while an LF does not. So DisplayFunctions
isn't "pure". (it won't show you NUlls, either, one great reason for keeping
an HP2645A around, which has "monitor mode").
Tracy Pierce
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Newton, Tony [mailto:[log in to unmask]]
> Sent: Thursday, April 12, 2001 1:32 PM
> To: [log in to unmask]
> Subject: Re: Searching for the whole CR/LF story
>
>
> Actually we are just printing it through a
> Reflection/Minisoft terminal
> emulator. So, with "Display Functions" turned on then I guess
> we are seeing
> whatever is actually in the file but the emulator then
> chooses the format on
> how to display it?
>
> The root cause of this question stems from a contractor who
> is FTP'ing files
> down to his PC for editing and then FTP'ing them back to the
> e3000. He says
> that upon upload he is losing the last LF in the file. He is
> using build
> parms when FTP'ing them back however I'm not exactly sure
> what he's using as
> build parms since he's at lunch. So, upon investigating it
> further I ran
> into this question(Which was just more for my personal
> knowledge than for a
> root cause of the above problem).
>
> ___
> Tony Newton
>
>
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: Gavin Scott [mailto:[log in to unmask]]
> > Sent: Thursday, April 12, 2001 1:14 PM
> > To: Newton, Tony; [log in to unmask]
> > Subject: RE: [HP3000-L] Searching for the whole CR/LF story
> >
> >
> > Tony writes:
> > > I have a file that has 2 LF's and 1CR at the end of each line,
> > > however when I look at it with "Display Functions" turned on
> > > in Reflection there are no additional lines in between each
> > > line of data.
> >
> > > FILENAME CODE ------------LOGICAL RECORD-----------
> ----SPACE----
> > > SIZE TYP EOF LIMIT R/B
> SECTORS #X MX
> > > DMEMBR03 8960B VA 23216 50000 1
> 31936 19 32
> >
> > What are you using to view the file? If it's a "Posix"
> program that's
> > expecting to see byte stream files, be aware that your file
> is an MPE
> > variable length file and if the program asks for byte stream
> > access (any
> > standard shell program or anything else linked with the
> > "Posix" version of
> > the C library) then it's going to be hooked up to the
> > bytestream emulator
> > which is going to make you think that there's an extra LF
> > character in the
> > file located between each MPE record.
> >
> > Doing a binary tobyte on the file might eliminate your
> > "extra" LFs if that's
> > what you want to do.
> >
> > Lots of programs try to be clever in their handling of LS vs.
> > CRLF vs. CR
> > line separators and in handling redundant separators, so you
> > can't always be
> > sure that what you get is what you see.
> >
> > G.
> >
>
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> addressee, you are hereby notified that you may not use,
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> advise the sender by reply email and delete the message.
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Date: Thu, 12 Apr 2001 16:01:51 -0500
From: Joe Silagi <[log in to unmask]>
Subject: Re: File Transfer help
The easiest way to do this in Reflection is with a host initiated RCL
command.
For example from the host prompt type:
echo ![chr(27)]&oFreceive {} from hpfilename
Joe Silagi
WRQ, Inc.
"Michael Anderson" <[log in to unmask]> wrote in message
news:9at3gh018e1@enews4.newsguy.com...
>
> Using Minisoft or Reflections terminal emulator to initiate a programmatic
file transfer (From M.P.E. to Windows), how can I (Programmatically) get the
terminal emulator to pull up a 'Save As Window' to browser through the
Windows file system?
>
> Any help is appreciated,
>
>
>
> --
> Michael Anderson
> Spring Independent School District
> 16717 Ella Boulevard
> Houston, Texas 77090-4299
> office: 281.586.1105
> fax: 281.586.1187
> -
>
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Date: Thu, 12 Apr 2001 14:16:43 -0700
From: "Newton, Tony" <[log in to unmask]>
Subject: Re: Searching for the whole CR/LF story
OK, now I'm confused..... Everything you said makes perfect sense except
that when I look at the file in hex mode I don't see any CR's or LF's.
Shouldn't I be able to see those in a hex "dump"
___
Tony Newton
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Tracy Pierce [mailto:[log in to unmask]]
> Sent: Thursday, April 12, 2001 2:09 PM
> To: 'Newton, Tony'; [log in to unmask]
> Subject: RE: Searching for the whole CR/LF story
>
>
> I believe the reason you see what you see is that when in
> DisplayFunctions
> mode, a CR causes a linefeed, while an LF does not. So
> DisplayFunctions
> isn't "pure". (it won't show you NUlls, either, one great
> reason for keeping
> an HP2645A around, which has "monitor mode").
>
> Tracy Pierce
>
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: Newton, Tony [mailto:[log in to unmask]]
> > Sent: Thursday, April 12, 2001 1:32 PM
> > To: [log in to unmask]
> > Subject: Re: Searching for the whole CR/LF story
> >
> >
> > Actually we are just printing it through a
> > Reflection/Minisoft terminal
> > emulator. So, with "Display Functions" turned on then I guess
> > we are seeing
> > whatever is actually in the file but the emulator then
> > chooses the format on
> > how to display it?
> >
> > The root cause of this question stems from a contractor who
> > is FTP'ing files
> > down to his PC for editing and then FTP'ing them back to the
> > e3000. He says
> > that upon upload he is losing the last LF in the file. He is
> > using build
> > parms when FTP'ing them back however I'm not exactly sure
> > what he's using as
> > build parms since he's at lunch. So, upon investigating it
> > further I ran
> > into this question(Which was just more for my personal
> > knowledge than for a
> > root cause of the above problem).
> >
> > ___
> > Tony Newton
> >
> >
> > > -----Original Message-----
> > > From: Gavin Scott [mailto:[log in to unmask]]
> > > Sent: Thursday, April 12, 2001 1:14 PM
> > > To: Newton, Tony; [log in to unmask]
> > > Subject: RE: [HP3000-L] Searching for the whole CR/LF story
> > >
> > >
> > > Tony writes:
> > > > I have a file that has 2 LF's and 1CR at the end of each line,
> > > > however when I look at it with "Display Functions" turned on
> > > > in Reflection there are no additional lines in between each
> > > > line of data.
> > >
> > > > FILENAME CODE ------------LOGICAL RECORD-----------
> > ----SPACE----
> > > > SIZE TYP EOF LIMIT R/B
> > SECTORS #X MX
> > > > DMEMBR03 8960B VA 23216 50000 1
> > 31936 19 32
> > >
> > > What are you using to view the file? If it's a "Posix"
> > program that's
> > > expecting to see byte stream files, be aware that your file
> > is an MPE
> > > variable length file and if the program asks for byte stream
> > > access (any
> > > standard shell program or anything else linked with the
> > > "Posix" version of
> > > the C library) then it's going to be hooked up to the
> > > bytestream emulator
> > > which is going to make you think that there's an extra LF
> > > character in the
> > > file located between each MPE record.
> > >
> > > Doing a binary tobyte on the file might eliminate your
> > > "extra" LFs if that's
> > > what you want to do.
> > >
> > > Lots of programs try to be clever in their handling of LS vs.
> > > CRLF vs. CR
> > > line separators and in handling redundant separators, so you
> > > can't always be
> > > sure that what you get is what you see.
> > >
> > > G.
> > >
> >
> > This message is intended for the sole use of the individual
> > and entity to
> > whom it is addressed, and may contain information that is
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> > confidential and exempt from disclosure under applicable law.
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> > not the intended addressee, nor authorized to receive for
> the intended
> > addressee, you are hereby notified that you may not use,
> > copy, disclose or
> > distribute to anyone the message or any information contained in the
> > message. If you have received this message in error, please
> > immediately
> > advise the sender by reply email and delete the message.
> > Thank you very
> > much.
> >
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Date: Thu, 12 Apr 2001 17:25:58 EDT
From: Wirt Atmar <[log in to unmask]>
Subject: Re: Searching for the whole CR/LF story
Tracy writes:
> I believe the reason you see what you see is that when in DisplayFunctions
> mode, a CR causes a linefeed, while an LF does not. So DisplayFunctions
> isn't "pure". (it won't show you NUlls, either, one great reason for
keeping
> an HP2645A around, which has "monitor mode").
Or use QCTerm. Over the years, HP has changed its mind several times on
which
characters the terminals displayed under Display Functions and which were
not. As Tracy mentions, the oldest terminals displayed everything. Then,
during the Middle Ages, the displays of certain characters became optional.
And now, in the Modern Era, nulls and dells are just gone.
Not having the newest terminals display nulls and dels was one of the things
I always found extremely irritating. They're often quite important to
understanding what is going on, and when I want to see what I want to see, I
need to see everything, not just an edited version. Now, with QCTerm, being
the master of my own fate, it was one of the first decisions we made:
everything displays in Display Functions, with no options to edit anything
out.
Wirt Atmar
------------------------------
Date: Thu, 12 Apr 2001 16:16:26 -0500
From: Denis St-Amand <[log in to unmask]>
Subject: Re: How to setup an LPD printer on Windows or Linux?
As far as I remember, You needed"Microsoft TCP/IP printing" service on
Windows NT Workstation/Server to use it as a LPD server. If you don't
currently have that service, add it but do NOT reboot immediately. Re-apply
current Service pack and reboot when prompted. NT Help about LPD will help
you set this up.
Hope it helps.
--
==================================================
Denis St-Amand (Remove "removeit." from email address)
==================================================
"Lars Appel" <[log in to unmask]> wrote in message
news:9b2hhk0ujk@enews1.newsguy.com...
> No off-topic tag, because it might end up not being off-topic ;-)
>
> I'd like to try Java based LPR freeware for sending a printout from
> the HP 3000, but I have no idea how to set up a printer or Windows PC
> or Linux machine to accept LPR/LPD.
>
> Does anybody have a "cheat-sheet" or "way to difficult warning"?
>
> Thanks. Lars.
>
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Date: Thu, 12 Apr 2001 16:16:30 -0500
From: Walter Murray <[log in to unmask]>
Subject: Re: Cobol - pass parms
"Sohrt, Jeff" <[log in to unmask]> wrote in message
news:9b24bt018e8@enews4.newsguy.com...
> Also does anyone have a working (short) example of a 'nested' program,
where
> the two programs are compiled and liked together?
There's a pretty complete example, a simplified payroll program, in the
discussion of structured programming in Chapter 3 of the HP COBOL II/XL
Programmer's Guide. It illustrates the use of nested programs, GLOBAL data
items and files, and GLOBAL USE procedures.
Walter
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Date: Thu, 12 Apr 2001 16:16:23 -0500
From: Walter Murray <[log in to unmask]>
Subject: Re: Cobol - pass parms
"Sohrt, Jeff" <[log in to unmask]> wrote in message
news:9b24bt018e8@enews4.newsguy.com...
> Is there a way to pass literal parameters to a cobol routine in an NMOBJ?
>
> i.e.
> call 'some_thing' using this, that, 3, more.
>
> It seems like you can, but the linker does type checking. The receiving
> routine wants an s9(4) comp so the only way I can think to do this is to
> create an s9(4) comp in the caller and move 3 to it, then make the call.
There may be a way, but I don't want to talk about it. :-)
If you have a COBOL program calling a COBOL subroutine, each of the operands
in the CALL statements ought to be a data item defined somewhere in the Data
Division. This is the most standard, most portable, most supported, most
conventional, most traditional, least troublesome way of doing things.
Anything else is asking for trouble. So yes, create an S9(4) COMP data item
(or whatever the subprogram is expecting) in the caller, and specify that
data item in your CALL statement.
If you want to call an intrinsic, or a non-COBOL procedure that expects a
parameter to be passed by value, that's a different story, but that wasn't
what you asked.
Walter
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Date: Thu, 12 Apr 2001 16:16:33 -0500
From: Denis St-Amand <[log in to unmask]>
Subject: Re: Serial to network interface
Wasn't there a way to install a parallel interface into an HP2562C ? Maybe
some "used" are still available. Then, you could use a parallel
JetDirect...
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"Christian Lheureux" <[log in to unmask]> wrote in message
news:9b3pup01nh5@enews2.newsguy.com...
> Hi fellow listers,
>
> Anyone knows of a JetDirect (or JetDirect-like) device allowing to hook a
> serial printer (2562C) to a network ? I found nothing on the various HP
> websites I've visited. Any suggestions ?
>
> As usual, all help is greatly appreciated.
>
> Christian Lheureux
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> Networks Department
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Date: Thu, 12 Apr 2001 14:45:40 -0700
From: Gavin Scott <[log in to unmask]>
Subject: Re: unsubscribe hp3000-l
Wirt argues:
> This one person's demonstrated inability to read is no indication of the
> success or failure of anything.
There is some set of users (the majority one hopes) who, when they need to
get off of the list, will be able to figure out how to do it in a way that
does not involve a demand to be removed that is sent to the list membership
at large.
Some (hopefully smaller) set will be unwilling or unable to perform the
above task. The question is, of these users who have already demonstrated
an unwillingness to figure it out on their own, how many will actually read
the trailer at the end of every posting rather than just go ahead and post
their "please remove me" message?
It is my contention that the group of people who will fall into this last
category is insufficiently large to justify cluttering up every message I
have to read with at least three extra lines of useless text.
> Personally, I've already found the notice useful. Before its appearance, I
> could never remember how to read the archives or change my settings. Now
> it's easy.
Then it would be just as useful if printed out and glued to the top of your
monitor where the rest of us don't have to look at it all the time.
And tattooing remains an option as well.
> And as someone else mentioned, there are no standards for list
> memberships.
But it might be reasonable to have minimal standards for *community*
memberships, such that one should not join if one is not prepared to un-join
quietly when the time comes.
I always keep bookmarks for the web pages associated with the lists I am a
member of.
I also have an email folder named "Subscriptions" which contains the
response to the signon message from each mailing list I've ever subscribed
to, so when the time comes I can just go look there to find out what the
instructions are, or at least what the "request" email address is.
It's just not that hard to avoid being a slob, and I dislike the "training
wheels" type of trailer which is only of value to people who can't be
bothered to save the information at the time they subscribed.
G.
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Date: Thu, 12 Apr 2001 17:51:47 EDT
From: Wirt Atmar <[log in to unmask]>
Subject: Re: unsubscribe hp3000-l
Gavin, who has taken over the curmudgeon-du-jour position today, writes:
> It's just not that hard to avoid being a slob, and I dislike the "training
> wheels" type of trailer which is only of value to people who can't be
> bothered to save the information at the time they subscribed.
If that's true, you're going to hate the NASA lists. They write at the
bottom
of every email:
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by sending an Internet electronic mail message to [log in to unmask]
In the body of the message (not the subject line) users should type
the words "subscribe press-release" (no quotes). The system will
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automatic message will include additional information on the service.
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Wirt Atmar
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Date: Thu, 12 Apr 2001 18:10:17 EDT
From: Wirt Atmar <[log in to unmask]>
Subject: Re: unsubscribe hp3000-l
Just to add to my previous comments about NASA lists, one of the things that
may be disturbing to some is the format of the trailer. I have really never
found the NASA trailers to be obnoxious, but on the other hand, they put
them
a fair ways down on the page.
I've included one of NASA's complete emails below so that you can judge for
yourself (I chose one of the more interesting ones):
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Subj: SUN TAKES ANOTHER SOLAR SHOT, THIS TIME AT EARTH
Date: 4/11/01 1:30:56 PM Mountain Daylight Time
From: [log in to unmask]
Sender: [log in to unmask]
Dolores Beasley
Headquarters, Washington, DC April 11, 2001
(Phone: 202/358-1753)
Bill Steigerwald
Goddard Space Flight Center, Greenbelt, MD
(Phone: 301/286-5017)
RELEASE: 01-71
SUN TAKES ANOTHER SOLAR SHOT, THIS TIME AT EARTH
An angry Sun fired off another powerful X-class flare
Tuesday, April 10. X-class flares are the most powerful
classification, and this flare, rated X-2, was the most
recent in a series that included one of the most powerful
solar blasts in 25 years.
An eruption of electrified gas, called a Coronal Mass
Ejection, or CME, was observed shortly after Tuesday's flare,
and it is heading our way. Depending on the orientation of
the magnetic field carried by the CME cloud, it may cause a
magnetic storm when it impacts the Earth's own magnetic
field.
Tuesday's flare which was observed by the Solar and
Heliospheric Observatory (SOHO) and NASA's Transition Region
and Coronal Explorer (TRACE) occurred at 1:25 a.m. EDT and
came from a region on the Sun designated active region 9415.
This region is rotating with the Sun and currently points
towards Earth. Active region 9415 includes a sunspot group
and has generated three X-class flares this month, including
an X-5 flare on April 6.
The front of the ejection cloud associated with Tuesday's
flare hit Earth shortly after
9 a.m. EDT today. Moderate to strong storm levels, rated G2 -
G3, will be possible during today and tomorrow as the CME
passes Earth, according to the National Oceanic and
Atmospheric Administration's Space Environment Center (NOAA
SEC), Boulder, CO.
"This is another in an exciting series of solar events during
this maximum epoch of the current solar activity cycle," said
Dr. Ernest Hildner, Director of the NOAA SEC. The NOAA SEC
classifies flares according to their power and estimates,
tracks, and evaluates the effects of solar activity on the
space environment near Earth. The NOAA SEC is the federal
agency responsible for making official space weather
predictions.
Solar flares, among the solar system's mightiest eruptions,
are tremendous explosions in the atmosphere of the Sun,
capable of releasing as much energy as a billion megatons of
TNT. Caused by the sudden release of magnetic energy, in just
a few seconds flares can accelerate solar particles to very
high velocities - almost to the speed of light - and heat
solar material to tens of millions of degrees.
CME eruptions, often associated with flares, are clouds of
electrified, magnetic gas weighing billions of tons ejected
from the Sun and hurled into space with speeds ranging from
12 to 1,250 miles per second. The CME associated with
Tuesday's flare was thrown from the Sun at an estimated 1,000
miles per second. CMEs can be even more powerful than flares
and the total energy in a good-sized ejection is about 100
times greater than that of the largest flares.
Depending on the orientation of the magnetic fields carried
by the CME cloud, Earth-directed ejections can cause magnetic
storms by interacting with the Earth's magnetic field,
distorting its shape and accelerating electrically charged
particles, electrons and atomic nuclei, trapped within.
Severe solar weather is often heralded by dramatic auroral
displays but the magnetic storms can also affect satellites,
radio communications and power systems.
Active region 9415 is expected to produce more solar
outbursts because it has a complex magnetic field structure.
Active regions are areas near the Sun's visible surface where
a concentration of distorted magnetic fields exists. Sunspots
are often found in active regions because the strong magnetic
fields there slow the flow of heat from the Sun's interior,
keeping part of the region slightly cooler than its
surroundings, which causes it to appear as a dark spot on the
solar surface.
The SOHO project is an international cooperative program
between NASA and the European Space Agency in the framework
of the International Solar Terrestrial Science Program.
Images of and additional information on the recent stormy
solar activity, including this flare, are available on the
Internet at:
http://sohowww.nascom.nasa.gov/
http://www.gsfc.nasa.gov/GSFC/SpaceSci/sunearth/sohox2flare/s
ohox2flare.htm
http://www.sec.noaa.gov/SWN/
http://www.spaceweather.com/
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Date: Thu, 12 Apr 2001 15:18:49 -0700
From: "Penney, John" <[log in to unmask]>
Subject: How to parse a Session Name from a TEMP File
Hello folks:
This has stymied myself for a coupla hours so I figure that I need the
wisdom of the 3000-l:
In a Job I wish to perform a LISTF to a Temp file that I then use as input.
I want to select out of this Temp file Session Numbers for passing to, say,
an Abortjob command. Presently, I am attempting to restream the output of
the LISTF to an INPUT command using the backreference "<".
The challenge seems to be that I am only getting the first occurrence (i.e.
first record) of the LISTF. So, not a help if I have say a half-dozen
sessions I want to get off the system at a given time.
Yes, there are better ways of doing this thing, so:
1) a better way to do this is welcome, and
2) why does this approach through the INPUT JOBNAM < INPFIL construct
where INPFIL is the TEMP file from LISTF, not function?
I placed the INPUT in a WHILE loop which loops forever(!).
TIA
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Date: Thu, 12 Apr 2001 15:29:42 -0700
From: Gavin Scott <[log in to unmask]>
Subject: Re: unsubscribe hp3000-l
> Just to add to my previous comments about NASA lists, one of the
> things that may be disturbing to some is the format of the
> trailer.
Yeah, but this isn't a public mailing list, it's a distribution list for
press releases. The trailer is being written by the same people writing the
content of the message. One of the things I object to is that someone else
is modifying *my* work in a way that I don't approve of.
G.
P.S. Happy 40th Yuri!
http://history.msfc.nasa.gov/rocketry/images/42.gif
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Date: Thu, 12 Apr 2001 15:36:31 -0700
From: John Burke <[log in to unmask]>
Subject: Re: How to parse a Session Name from a TEMP File
John Penny said:
> In a Job I wish to perform a LISTF to a Temp file that I then
> use as input.
> I want to select out of this Temp file Session Numbers for
> passing to, say,
> an Abortjob command. Presently, I am attempting to restream
> the output of
> the LISTF to an INPUT command using the backreference "<".
>
> The challenge seems to be that I am only getting the first
> occurrence (i.e.
> first record) of the LISTF. So, not a help if I have say a half-dozen
> sessions I want to get off the system at a given time.
>
> Yes, there are better ways of doing this thing, so:
>
> 1) a better way to do this is welcome, and
>
> 2) why does this approach through the INPUT JOBNAM < INPFIL construct
> where INPFIL is the TEMP file from LISTF, not function?
>
> I placed the INPUT in a WHILE loop which loops forever(!).
>
What you want to do has been described exhaustively by Jeff Vance several
times, including in his CI Programming seminar. One version from this list
appears as section 2.13 in the compendium "Best of Hidden Value &
net.digest", published by The 3000 NewsWire and available directly from the
NewsWire and from many software vendors. It is also available electronically
at www.burke-consulting.com. Here is section 2.13:
2.13 What's the most common question about CI programming on HP3000-L?
Answer: How can I read records from a file into a variable?
From Jeff Vance, architect of the CI:
The basic problem is that the CI's IO redirection opens the file and causes
the record pointer to be set to the beginning. This is done each time the IO
redirection is encountered by the CI. Thus, if you try to read from a file
in a WHILE loop using the INPUT command, you will read only the first record
each iteration. Below are some ways to overcome this restriction.
Method 1: using a MSG file.
PROS: simple, easy to maintain, and an easy way to read small files or make
"quick and dirty" scripts.
CONS: slow, especially if the file is long.
Basic idea:
- use a file equation to create a MSG file
- redirect output to this MSG file
- use the INPUT command to read from the MSG file via IO redirection.
Example:
PARM p1, p2, ...
#comments...
file myfile;MSG
errclear
continue
listf !p1,2 >*myfile
if hpcierr = 0 then
setvar eof FINFO("*myfile","eof")
while setvar(eof,eof-1) > 0 do
input record_var <*myfile
showvar record_var ... etc...
endwhile
endif
reset myfile
deletevar record_var,eof
Method 2: using a flat file.
PROS: most efficient way in the CI to read files.
CONS: less intuitive and more effort to author.
Basic idea:
- create a file via IO redirection
- xeq the same script with the script's input redirected to the file created
in step 1.
- use the INPUT command or input() function to read from the file (with no
IO redirection since the input for the entire script is redirected here).
Example:
PARM p1, p2, ..., entry=main
#comments...
if "!entry" = "main" then
# in the main part of the script
errclear
continue
listf !p1,2 >myfile
if hpcierr = 0 then
# execute same script with input redirected
xeq !HPFILE !p1, !p2, ... entry=alternate <myfile
endif
deletevar record_var,eof
return
elseif "!entry" = "alternate" then
# in the 'alternate' script entry point
setvar eof FINFO(HPSTDIN,"eof")
while setvar(eof,eof-1) > 0 do
setvar record_var input()
showvar record_var ... etc..
endwhile
return
endif
Method 3: using PRINT to get an individual record.
PROS: I've seen this approach used many times so it must be intuitive.
CONS: inefficient, ok for small files.
Basic idea:
- create a file via IO redirection.
- use the PRINT;start=;end= to create another file with 1 record.
- use the INPUT command to read from the one record file via IO redirection.
Example:
PARM p1, p2, ...
#comments...
errclear
continue
listf !p1,2 >myfile
if hpcierr = 0 then
setvar eof FINFO("myfile","eof")
setvar i 0
while setvar(i,i+1) <= eof do
print myfile;start=!i;end=!i >myfile2
input record_var <myfile2
showvar record_var ... etc...
endwhile
endif
deletevar record_var,eof,i
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Date: Thu, 12 Apr 2001 16:39:29 -0600
From: Bob McGregor <[log in to unmask]>
Subject: sendmail issue
Hi,
We have sendmail 8.9.1 on our 937 (MPE/ix 6.0). We are having problem =
sending to a recipient with a - in the domain @ms-sf.org
I think the problem is that the value of the mail from is set to @dtc1 =
during the sendmail as when we setup an alias for this user on our mail =
server to forward the message to this address it lists @dtc1 as the from =
address.
Question(finally): How can I set sendmail so the from address during the =
correspondance would be acceptable to the receiving site ms-sf.org?
(I do have the mail from set in the actual file but that does not appear =
to be where it's coming from...)
bob
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Date: Thu, 12 Apr 2001 15:40:03 -0700
From: Mark Bixby <[log in to unmask]>
Subject: Re: How to parse a Session Name from a TEMP File
"Penney, John" wrote:
>
> Hello folks:
>
> This has stymied myself for a coupla hours so I figure that I need the
> wisdom of the 3000-l:
>
> In a Job I wish to perform a LISTF to a Temp file that I then use as
input.
> I want to select out of this Temp file Session Numbers for passing to,
say,
> an Abortjob command. Presently, I am attempting to restream the output of
> the LISTF to an INPUT command using the backreference "<".
>
> The challenge seems to be that I am only getting the first occurrence
(i.e.
> first record) of the LISTF. So, not a help if I have say a half-dozen
> sessions I want to get off the system at a given time.
>
> Yes, there are better ways of doing this thing, so:
>
> 1) a better way to do this is welcome, and
>
> 2) why does this approach through the INPUT JOBNAM < INPFIL construct
> where INPFIL is the TEMP file from LISTF, not function?
>
> I placed the INPUT in a WHILE loop which loops forever(!).
It's not entirely clear to me what you're trying to accomplish, but seeing
as
how I've spent most of today doing awk stuff, I'll take a shot and give a
POSIX
method for doing it:
callci listfile ci.pub.sys,8 |\
awk '/^#/ { print $1 }' |\
xargs -i% echo callci abortjob \'%\'
The first statement executes the listfile command and pipes the output into
the
second statement.
The second statement reads the listfile output, and for each line that
begins
with # pipes the first token into the third statement.
The third statement reads the awk output and executes a command string after
replacing % with the value read from the pipe.
I'm doing "echo callci" just to demonstrate the results without actually
aborting anybody. Remove the echo if you want to actually abort things.
--
[log in to unmask]
Remainder of .sig suppressed to conserve scarce California electrons...
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Date: Thu, 12 Apr 2001 18:42:50 -0400
From: Ted Ashton <[log in to unmask]>
Subject: Re: How to parse a Session Name from a TEMP File
Thus it was written in the epistle of Penney, John,
> The challenge seems to be that I am only getting the first occurrence
(i.e.
> first record) of the LISTF. So, not a help if I have say a half-dozen
> sessions I want to get off the system at a given time.
>
> Yes, there are better ways of doing this thing, so:
>
> 1) a better way to do this is welcome, and
That depends somewhat on what you are wanting to accomplish. If it is
really :ABORTJOB you are doing, you may want to examine the help for
:ABORTJOB. It's a lot more capable now than it used to be. You can give it
a job or session name and it will find the number and do the abort.
> 2) why does this approach through the INPUT JOBNAM < INPFIL construct
> where INPFIL is the TEMP file from LISTF, not function?
The answer to that question (as well as a number of solutions to the
problem)
is found in
http://raven.utc.edu/cgi-bin/WA.EXE?A2=ind9912C&L=hp3000-l&P=R2554
and I quote,
> The basic problem is that the CI's IO redirection opens the file and
causes
> the record pointer to be set to the beginning. This is done each time the
IO
> redirdction is encountered by the CI. Thus, if you try to read from a
file
> in a WHILE loop using the INPUT command, you will read only the first
record
> each iteration. Below are some ways to overcome this restriction. . . .
HTH,
Ted
--
Ted Ashton ([log in to unmask]), Info Sys, Southern Adventist University
==========================================================
War can protect; it cannot create.
-- Whitehead, Alfred North
==========================================================
Deep thoughts to be found at http://www.southern.edu/~ashted
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Date: Thu, 12 Apr 2001 16:32:36 -0700
From: Donna Garverick <[log in to unmask]>
Subject: ot: mpe fortune 50?
hi all!
i think i almost had an interesting thought :-)
given the chance, i try to do business with companies that i
know use 3000s. for example, if i'm renting a car, i'll
pick hertz. office supplies? staples.
so, i was thinking if we could develop a list of
publically-traded companies that use 3000s and track their
stock performance...we'll at least had an interesting
exercise :-) however, we might actually be onto
something...perhaps not financially (but you never know).
it might be that (from our own warped perspective) we can
say something like 'using mpe improves <insert company name
here> bottom line performance'.....
so, did i actually have an idea? :-) - d
--
Donna Garverick Sr. System Programmer
925-210-6631 [log in to unmask]
"Unix _is_ user friendly.
It's just very selective about who its friends are.
And sometimes even best friends have fights."
>>>MY opinions, not Longs Drug Stores'<<<
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Date: Thu, 12 Apr 2001 16:42:51 -0700
From: "Penney, John" <[log in to unmask]>
Subject: FW: How to parse a Session Name from a TEMP File
Listers:
My thanks to all who personally and publicly replied. Saved me a ton of time
and several circuitous paths to research....You have my gratitude.
Cheers
------------------------------
Date: Thu, 12 Apr 2001 16:57:14 -0400
From: Jim Phillips <[log in to unmask]>
Subject: unsubscribe hp3000-l
What is the indicator for unsubscription threads supposed to be? "UNSUB:"?
Or maybe we need a new list server to debate the merits of unsubscription
methodologies?
Jim Phillips (Making judicious of the delete key today, like maybe it's worn
out...)
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Date: Thu, 12 Apr 2001 18:23:40 -0600
From: Keven Miller <[log in to unmask]>
Subject: Re: How to parse a Session Name from a TEMP File
John mentions:
From Jeff Vance, architect of the CI:
The basic problem is that the CI's IO redirection opens the file and causes
the record pointer to be set to the beginning. This is done each time the IO
redirection is encountered by the CI. Thus, if you try to read from a file
Maybe a useful enhancement would be an optional record position parameter:
To read record 10
:INPUT NEWVAR < MYFILE.(10)
> _____________________________________________________________
> Keven Miller mailto:[log in to unmask] http://www.exegesys.com
>
>
>
---------------------------------------------------
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eXegeSys eRP Users Conference 2001, Oct. 1-4, Downtown SLC.
Register today by visiting www.exegesys.com/erp2001/welcome.htm
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Date: Thu, 12 Apr 2001 17:24:37 -0700
From: Russ Smith <[log in to unmask]>
Subject: Re: How to parse a Session Name from a TEMP File
John,
The file into which you are sending the SHOWJOB (or LISTF), and from which
you are then reading records to process the list, must be built as a message
file ";MSG" so that reading a record will destroy that record and allow you
to access the next.
If you are already doing this, please include your script (JCL) with a
repost of your message and one of us should be able to diagnose your
problem.
Hope this helps,
Rs~
Russ Smith, Systems Consultant
Problem Solved, Credit Union Consulting Services
1241 Alamo Drive #2
Vacaville, CA 95687
707.451.2611, voice
707.447.2918, fax
r s m i t h @ c u - h e l p . c o m
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-----Original Message-----
From: HP-3000 Systems Discussion [mailto:[log in to unmask]]On
Behalf Of Penney, John
Sent: Thursday, April 12, 2001 3:19 PM
To: [log in to unmask]
Subject: [HP3000-L] How to parse a Session Name from a TEMP File
Hello folks:
This has stymied myself for a coupla hours so I figure that I need the
wisdom of the 3000-l:
In a Job I wish to perform a LISTF to a Temp file that I then use as input.
I want to select out of this Temp file Session Numbers for passing to, say,
an Abortjob command. Presently, I am attempting to restream the output of
the LISTF to an INPUT command using the backreference "<".
The challenge seems to be that I am only getting the first occurrence (i.e.
first record) of the LISTF. So, not a help if I have say a half-dozen
sessions I want to get off the system at a given time.
Yes, there are better ways of doing this thing, so:
1) a better way to do this is welcome, and
2) why does this approach through the INPUT JOBNAM < INPFIL construct
where INPFIL is the TEMP file from LISTF, not function?
I placed the INPUT in a WHILE loop which loops forever(!).
TIA
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Date: Thu, 12 Apr 2001 17:50:00 -0700
From: John Burke <[log in to unmask]>
Subject: Re: How to parse a Session Name from a TEMP File
Keven Miller says:
> John mentions:
> From Jeff Vance, architect of the CI:
>
> The basic problem is that the CI's IO redirection opens the
> file and causes
> the record pointer to be set to the beginning. This is done
> each time the IO
> redirection is encountered by the CI. Thus, if you try to
> read from a file
Good idea for next year's SIB, though in order for it to really be useful
from a performance standpoint, we'd probably also need a way to open and
close files.
John
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Date: Thu, 12 Apr 2001 22:13:18 -0400
From: Paul Courry <[log in to unmask]>
Subject: Re: 947 to 957 move-new hardware
This is too late to be useful possibly, but call your 3rd party software
vendors, given them the new
HPCPUNAME and HPSUSAN number and get them to generate new unlock codes. The
company
that sold it to you should have this info on hand.
Paul
On Wed, 11 Apr 2001 06:58:44 -0700, Hansen, John wrote:
>Last Friday my HP947 was being moved between building, and in the process
it
>slid off the lift gate of the moving truck falling about 3 feet, damaging
it
>to the point where it is not worth attempting to repair. Nice way to start
>a weekend. I have secured an HP957 as a replacement system. This new
>system will be arriving hopefully by Friday and would like to get it back
up
>and online ASAP.
>
>My main concern is how can I install from my old SLT tape, or is this even
>possible. The 947 had 5.5 Express 7 with one reactive patch. The new 957
>will arrive with 5.5 Express 7, and hopefully the same reactive patch.
>
>Now my questions...Can I simply update the new system from the SLT cut just
>prior to the move? Will this bring in all my HP software from my Subsys
>tape along with batches? Would it be better the reinstall from my Subsys
>tape? Could I do an install from the SLT, and clean up the system in
>sysgen, and install the disks and other items?
>
>I understand that I will have some specific files to restore in order to
>bring back my network/dtc setting, and have been in contact with various
>software vendors as the cpuname and susan number changes.
>
>What I am looking for is some guidance or suggestion on how I can get this
>done with the least amount of effort, in the shortest period of time
without
>jeopardizing the integrity of the operating system.
>
>If I have missed anything feel free to contact me, as I am looking for
help,
>and know this is the place to ask.
>
>John
>
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Date: Thu, 12 Apr 2001 22:52:25 EDT
From: Wirt Atmar <[log in to unmask]>
Subject: Re: unsubscribe hp3000-l
Jim Phillips writes:
> What is the indicator for unsubscription threads supposed to be?
"UNSUB:"?
> Or maybe we need a new list server to debate the merits of unsubscription
> methodologies?
Because Jim brought the subject up, there is a third methodology that might
be acceptable to everyone, including Gavin. Gavin has a point -- sort of.
That third method is this: if the listserver could be programmed to scan
every incoming message for both the subject and text body, and then take
action based on that scan, the text could be scanned for the word
"unsubscribe." If that word is found anywhere, in any context, then the
correspondent would automatically be (i) dropped from the mailing list, (ii)
that specific email of his would NOT be forwarded to the list, and (ii) the
rules for resubscribing to the list would be emailed to desubscriber, along
with an explanation that the word "unsubscribe" was found in his text.
I'm actually not kidding about this. "Unsubscribe" is such an odd English
word that it probably wouldn't pass a Scrabble challenge (at least not
without causing an argument). I would strongly suspect that you could do a
text search of all of the postings from the beginnings of HP3000-L and not
find it in an inappropriate message. At the worst, if a user did use it
inadvertantly, all he would need to do is resubscribe and modify his text.
In
this worst case condition, only one person would be affected, and only for a
short period of time.
Wirt Atmar
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Date: Thu, 12 Apr 2001 23:10:59 EDT
From: "Wayne R. Boyer" <[log in to unmask]>
Subject: Re: Serial to network interface
Yes there are parallel interface boards for the 256x series printers but
they
are very tough to find (and thus expensive). As a small used equipment
dealer, we get an inquiry a week on these boards but we haven't had one in
stock in months (?). RS-232 serial is easy and do-able. A couple
people
have posted serial to LAN solutions on HP3000-L and that's what I would
recommend rather than hunt for a Unicorn (aka parallel 256x interface).
PS: Anybody got any parallel 256x printers that they want to SELL????
Wayne Boyer
Cal-Logic
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Date: Thu, 12 Apr 2001 23:47:00 EDT
From: "Wayne R. Boyer" <[log in to unmask]>
Subject: Re: ot: mpe fortune 50?
Such a list of major organizations (not just publicly traded companies)
could
be useful for other purposes as well. I often need to explain to other
people (some of whom are computer-knowledgeable - some not) what I do and
what a HP-3000 MPE/iX computer is. I've found it very very useful to be
able
to name large organizations that use a HP-3000 in some serious business
process and also to identify products that are produced using software
running on a HP-3000 platform. This helps get people to understand that a
HP-3000 is a serious piece of useful computer equipment and not just a
minicomputer relic from the '80s.
Here's an example ... if you have ever been in an airport (almost everybody
has) and have walked on or off of an airplane (almost everybody has) then
you
probably walked thru a thing called a "Jetway" -- that's a product produced
by a client of mine. All the newer Jetways are manufactured by FMC using a
large HP-3000 running (no big surprise here...) MANMAN. Thus MANMAN and a
HP-3000 has touched the lives of virtually every airplane traveler in the
USA
(and the world?).
Maybe some folks at HP should think about the marketing possibilities
here...
what I've said here before is that the presence of HP-3000 systems in
organizations drives the sales of other pieces of computer equipment.
Having
well known customers also can drive the sales of additional systems.
PS: What does Longs do with those HP-3000s anyway? Did one of them process
the sale of those tulips that I bought at Longs the other day? There were a
great deal at only $2.99!
Wayne Boyer
Cal-Logic
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