Having problems starting the listener for ALLBASE/NET for IMAGE/SQL
access via ODBC. The following error message appears:-
:ANSTART ARPA
(ANUtil): Checking ALLBASE/NET listener status for ARPA.
(ANUtil): ERROR -31995 STARTING ALLBASE/NET LISTENER FOR ARPA.
Does anyone know what we are missing? Yes this is the old version of
the ODBC driver - pre 32bit/MB Foster, however we need to use it for a
short period of time on a different machine to our current production
987.
Regards,
Wayne Laughton
Manager, Business Systems
Southcorp Water Heaters Australia
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-----Original Message-----
From: LISTSERV
Sent: Thursday, October 01, 1998 2:00 PM
To: HP3000-L
Cc: LISTSERV
Subject: HP3000-L Digest - 29 Sep 1998 to 30 Sep 1998
There are 89 messages totalling 4167 lines in this issue.
Topics of the day:
1. HP User Group event in Telford, UK (2)
2. PATCHIX QUESTION (2)
3. Versions? (2)
4. OFF TOPIC: Copying Files To Diskette
5. Samba Config help (6)
6. A Really Dumb Question
7. OFF TOPIC: Copying Files To Diskette
8. Making IMAGE data available to PCs (13)
9. Samba files and VB5 (3)
10. NFS/iX for mpe? (2)
11. Diagnostic Daemons and Full System Backups. (2)
12. Line Editors: Results (or "All Rise for the Docs-ology") (5)
13. Connection Help With Minisoft 92 (2)
14. How to Subscribe to HP-UX List?
15. Thanks to the list !
16. HOW TO PRINT TO NETWORK PRINTERS FROM HP3000
17. Apache and posix question (2)
18. DBUTIL ERASE corrupts db (3)
19. OFF TOPIC: Copying Files To Diskett (2)
20. Volume Set Memory Refresher (9)
21. Memory Refresher (2)
22. Where to find information on ADO, RDO, DAO, etc...
23. Test 2 CSILLC to UTC
24. Bidirectional Gateway Should Be working Now
25. Indirect File Reference via File Equation (6)
26. Final Test - CSILLC to UTC
27. Making IMAGE data available to PCs <plug>
28. DejaNews to UTC via Gateway (2)
29. Applied Materials - contact information needed
30. listserv oops?
31. Mail Test (Ignore) Duplicate Testing
32. OFF TOPIC: Non-competition agreements (5)
33. DDS3 <-> DDS2 (3)
34. Post Test 2 (Rule 2F in place) (2)
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Date: Wed, 30 Sep 1998 08:41:29 +0200
From: Lars Appel <[log in to unmask]>
Subject: HP User Group event in Telford, UK
Fellow list(en)ers,
did anybody have a chance (unlike me) to attend the HP User
Group event in Telford, UK, last week -- and is he or she
willing to share a few lines of trip report, impressions,
observations, etc with us?
Thanks in advance, Lars.
(also see http://www.hpuser.org.uk regarding the Telford event)
------------------------------
Date: Wed, 30 Sep 1998 08:26:20 +0100
From: Klaus Franke <[log in to unmask]>
Subject: PATCHIX QUESTION
gentle readers,
i want to install pp5 together with a subsys tape (mirrored disk), that
we
just bought.
If i go into patchix and select activities i am told (when trying to
mark
subsys), that this option is only for express releases.
PP5 is not an express release, but i do have a subsys-tape (normaly to
add-on), so i would like to install both of them in one pass.
Is this possible (has anybody done this before) with patchix or do i
have to
use good old autoinst?
Kind regards
Klaus Franke
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Date: Wed, 30 Sep 1998 10:01:10 +0200
From: Ewart North <[log in to unmask]>
Subject: Versions?
I know this list is for HP3000 Users but I also know that many (?)use
HP9000
so I thought I would ask my question here as I have no access to an
HP9000
list.
What is the current, latest release of:....
HP-UX?
Oracle?
Oracle on the HP3000?
Oracle on the HP9000?
Kindest regards.
Ewart North
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Date: Wed, 30 Sep 1998 10:09:33 +0200
From: Ewart North <[log in to unmask]>
Subject: Re: OFF TOPIC: Copying Files To Diskette
Use Winzip and it will span automatically. If the recipient doesn't
have
Winzip, then also use winzip/se which turns the zipped file into a
self-extracting file which just unpacks itself at the other end.
-----Original Message-----
From: Therm-O-Link [SMTP:[log in to unmask]]
Sent: 29 September 1998 20:28
To: [log in to unmask]
Subject: OFF TOPIC: Copying Files To Diskette
Okay, this should be a simple one, but I can't find any
instructions
from MS in the Win95 help files. I need to copy a large (4 MB)
file
from the hard drive to the floppy drive. How can I do it
through
Win 95 (without backup) so that the file spans multiple
floppies?
Any help (except to do it through DOS) is appreciated.
Jim Phillips Manager of Information
Systems
Voice: (330) 527-2124 Therm-O-Link, Inc.
Fax: (330) 527-2123 PO Box 285; 10513
Freedom
St.
Email: [log in to unmask] Garrettsville, Ohio
44231
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Date: Wed, 30 Sep 1998 10:28:04 +0200
From: Andreas Schmidt <[log in to unmask]>
Subject: Re: Samba Config help
HOSTS and RESLVCNF must exist in NET.SYS - did you check this ?
A link from /etc/ to these files is helpful as well for INETD.
Best regards, Andreas Schmidt, CSC, Germany
Alan AMBERS <[log in to unmask]> on 09/29/98 09:32:00 PM
Please respond to Alan AMBERS <[log in to unmask]>
To: [log in to unmask]
cc: (bcc: Andreas Schmidt/HI/CSC)
Subject: Samba Config help
Greetings -
We are trying to install samba and are having a few problems.
I think all the networking stuff is correct. We have hosts.net
(and it's posix name) with both a loopback and we added the local
machine name. We also have DNS set up and have been using it for quite
some time.
The message we are getting in /SAMBA/PUB/var/log.smb is:
Get_Hostbyname: Unknown host co.
Added interface ip=10.1.8.248 bcast=10.1.15.255 nmask=255.255.240.0
Get_Hostbyname: Unknown host. co
"co" is the beginning of our domain name (co.frederick.md.us). The
machine name is "xl3". I can't find anyplace other than /etc/hosts and
/etc/resolv.conf where these names would exist (other than dns). And
nslookups from our unix box seem to work fine so I don't suspect
anything wrong with dns.
We have inetd running, but we don't have this set up to run under inetd.
Any ideas?
Thanks in Advance
/alan
[log in to unmask]
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Date: Wed, 30 Sep 1998 10:36:40 +0200
From: Andreas Schmidt <[log in to unmask]>
Subject: Re: A Really Dumb Question
Set the UDC HPPXUDC.PUB.SYS on system level, and you can invoke the
POSIX (!)
shell by just typing sh.
You may create a .profile to set a better prompt by e.g.
PS1='$PWD > '
or similiar.
BUT I'm not sure whether POSIX was in 4.0 ... I suppose not ...
Best regards, Andreas Schmidt, CSC, Germany
Tom Madigan <[log in to unmask]> on 09/29/98 09:48:27 PM
Please respond to Tom Madigan <[log in to unmask]>
To: [log in to unmask]
cc: (bcc: Andreas Schmidt/HI/CSC)
Subject: A Really Dumb Question
Greetings from the land of the Zorgnaks:
I must be really dense-headed today. I'm finally working with a post
4.0
operating system. How do I invoke the POSIX command interpreter?? I
would
really like to use some of the nifty POSIX commands. I've been poring
through
manuals, but no light comes on.
Thanks in advance!!!
Tom "really brick-headed today" Madigan
Beautiful SE Pennsylvania
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Date: Wed, 30 Sep 1998 10:31:47 +0200
From: Andreas Schmidt <[log in to unmask]>
Subject: Re: OFF TOPIC: Copying Files To Diskette
use cut&glue, provided by Ziff Davis / PC Professional.
Best regards, Andreas Schmidt, CSC, Germany
P.S. I will sent a self-extracting archive to you privately.
Therm-O-Link <[log in to unmask]> on 09/29/98 09:27:38 PM
Please respond to Therm-O-Link <[log in to unmask]>
To: [log in to unmask]
cc: (bcc: Andreas Schmidt/HI/CSC)
Subject: OFF TOPIC: Copying Files To Diskette
Okay, this should be a simple one, but I can't find any instructions
from MS in the Win95 help files. I need to copy a large (4 MB) file
from the hard drive to the floppy drive. How can I do it through
Win 95 (without backup) so that the file spans multiple floppies?
Any help (except to do it through DOS) is appreciated.
Jim Phillips Manager of Information Systems
Voice: (330) 527-2124 Therm-O-Link, Inc.
Fax: (330) 527-2123 PO Box 285; 10513 Freedom St.
Email: [log in to unmask] Garrettsville, Ohio 44231
------------------------------
Date: Wed, 30 Sep 1998 14:34:09 +0500
From: "R. Muthugomu" <[log in to unmask]>
Subject: PATCHIX QUESTION
Hi,
You can mark 'Adding (SUBSYS) Products' and proceed with it. You can use
this option for patching which involves SUBSYS & PP. It is not
mandatory that it should be used only for Express releases.
rgds
muthu
------------------------------
Date: Wed, 30 Sep 1998 10:24:43 +0200
From: Andreas Schmidt <[log in to unmask]>
Subject: Re: Making IMAGE data available to PCs
Use ODBC!
This is what we do especially to have reports on the PC.
Best regards, Andreas Schmidt, CSC, Germany
[log in to unmask] on 09/29/98 07:11:00 PM
Please respond to [log in to unmask]
To: [log in to unmask]
cc: (bcc: Andreas Schmidt/HI/CSC)
Subject: Making IMAGE data available to PCs
Scenario:
Existing IMAGE based application. Other users want to access the same
data
from a number of desktop utilities. It has been suggested to
periodically
extract the IMAGE data to flat files, transfer them to a 'data
warehouse'
machine and let the users 'go at it'.
Any suggestions where, perhaps, the data stay in IMAGE and are still
available to the users or where the transfer occurs dynamically as
changes
are made to the IMAGE bases system, would be welcomed.
Regards
Paul
------------------------------
Date: Wed, 30 Sep 1998 10:41:21 +0100
From: John Dunlop <[log in to unmask]>
Subject: Samba files and VB5
Hi all,
I am part of a project to use Samba to provide files to a PC so that a
VB5 program can convert the data in the files to labels with barcodes. I
have been having problems reading the files in VB5. The files are in
comma separated format and I have used the "tobyte" function to convert
them to bytestream files but still the VB program seems to pick up some
weird characters (CRs?). Has anyone else used VB5 programs to read files
through Samba with success? If so, what's the secret?
TIA,
Cheers,
John Dunlop
E-mail : [log in to unmask]
Web : http://homepages.tcp.co.uk/~jdunlop/
"All your HP3000 Links and resources onthe Net"
------------------------------
Date: Wed, 30 Sep 1998 09:50:50 +0100
From: Patrick Muylaert <[log in to unmask]>
Subject: Re: Making IMAGE data available to PCs
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Or write your own socket-based applications. All logic running on the
HP,
less data traffic on your network. Although this approach is better for
GUI
applications than for reports I guess. On the other hand we publish
reports
on our intranet server that ran on the HP and were transfered to the
server
with Reflection commands in a Cobol file transfer program.
Pat.
-----Original Message-----
From: Andreas Schmidt [mailto:[log in to unmask]]
Use ODBC!
This is what we do especially to have reports on the PC.
Best regards, Andreas Schmidt, CSC, Germany
[log in to unmask] on 09/29/98 07:11:00 PM
Please respond to [log in to unmask]
To: [log in to unmask]
cc: (bcc: Andreas Schmidt/HI/CSC)
Subject: Making IMAGE data available to PCs
Scenario:
Existing IMAGE based application. Other users want to access the same
data
from a number of desktop utilities. It has been suggested to
periodically
extract the IMAGE data to flat files, transfer them to a 'data
warehouse'
machine and let the users 'go at it'.
Any suggestions where, perhaps, the data stay in IMAGE and are still
available to the users or where the transfer occurs dynamically as
changes
are made to the IMAGE bases system, would be welcomed.
Regards
Paul
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Date: Wed, 30 Sep 1998 12:29:55 +0200
From: Neil Harvey <[log in to unmask]>
Subject: Re: Samba files and VB5
John
We "published" QUIZ reports to Posix directories for display by
APACHE/iX as part of a drive to reduce paper reports.
We found that APACHE didn't like the raw "mv"ed files, so we 'cat'ed
them instead, and Lo!, it worked. The symptom was that Apache never
completed loading the files.
#MV.HPBIN.SYS;info="-f !file3 !fullname"
sh.hpbin.sys;info="-c '/bin/cat !file3 > !fullname'"
Try doing this first before you Samba them across to the PC, or let the
PC look at them via SAMBA.
Regards
Neil
> -----Original Message-----
> From: John Dunlop [SMTP:[log in to unmask]]
> Sent: Wednesday, September 30, 1998 11:41 AM
> To: [log in to unmask]
> Subject: Samba files and VB5
>
> Hi all,
>
> I am part of a project to use Samba to provide files to a PC so that a
> VB5 program can convert the data in the files to labels with barcodes.
> I
> have been having problems reading the files in VB5. The files are in
> comma separated format and I have used the "tobyte" function to
> convert
> them to bytestream files but still the VB program seems to pick up
> some
> weird characters (CRs?). Has anyone else used VB5 programs to read
> files
> through Samba with success? If so, what's the secret?
>
> TIA,
>
> Cheers,
> John Dunlop
> E-mail : [log in to unmask]
> Web : http://homepages.tcp.co.uk/~jdunlop/
> "All your HP3000 Links and resources onthe Net"
------------------------------
Date: Wed, 30 Sep 1998 11:50:42 +0100
From: Brian Williams <[log in to unmask]>
Subject: Re: HP User Group event in Telford, UK
-----Original Message-----
From: Lars Appel [SMTP:[log in to unmask]]
>Sent: Wednesday, September 30, 1998 7:41 AM
>To: [log in to unmask]
>Subject: HP User Group event in Telford, UK
>Fellow list(en)ers,
did anybody have a chance (unlike me) to attend the HP User Group event
in Telford, UK, last week -- and is he or
she willing to share a few lines of trip report, impressions,
observations, etc with us?
> Thanks in advance, Lars.
I was there. In comparison to earlier years, it was somewhat sparsely
attended - not totally surprising for an event held in an abandoned
warehouse in the back of beyond. There seemed to be a lot of preaching
to the converted. While it is most gratifying to see HP actively
promoting the 3000 in a couple of sessions, the various delegates were
already committed HP3000 users and didn't need convincing.
By all accounts the training sessions were very popular and well worth
attending; perhaps too popular from the point of view of vendors since
many people ignored the exhibition entirely and only attended the
training.
The second day was marred by travel problems for many of the delegates
and some of the speakers. There were massive delays on the M6 leading to
cancelled talks or replacement speakers (and reduced attendance, of
course).
By and large, the event had a rather dismal and uninspired air to it. I
really have no idea how this can be changed for future conferences. More
people, more vendors, more speakers, but how to attract them is beyond
me.
My opinion of the venue was adversely affected by my impression of
Telford - I hated the place, and have no intention of venturing anywhere
near it again. This has a great deal to do with my fear of heights: from
the railway station you have to cross a dual carriageway to get to the
conference centre. Unfortunately, the only way is over one of two
bridges, one for pedestrians and one road bridge; the pedestrian bridge,
in particular, seemed extremely flimsy and actually *vibrates* as you
walk doing nothing for my peace of mind. Once that obstacle was
negotiated and my heart rate had returned to something approaching
normal, finding the site proved to be easy enough except that I made the
mistake of heading for the gate nearest to the entrance to the building.
Since this gate did not provide any access to the car park it was, of
course, locked, so having got within twenty yards of the door, I had to
trudge around to the back of the car park where there was a gate open
then walk across the car park (no footpaths I could see) to the
entrance. I hate it when it is assumed that a car is the *only* means of
transport available.
The bar was bare of tables or chairs (or decent beer, but that's normal
for conference centres). The consequent lack of custom was presumably
the reason it never opened on the second day when more people were
expected (the first day didn't start until after lunch, the second being
the only full day).
I went along to the HP round table session, curiously scheduled for
5.00pm on the first day. This was a bit of a farce with virtually no one
asking any questions and was mercifully terminated before the silence
got too embarrassing.
I have to admit that my expectations were not high for this event and I
attended only because the location was conveniently close. I doubt that
I shall go next year, and certainly not for two days.
Brian Williams
Arriva Automotive Solutions
Birmingham UK
------------------------------
Date: Wed, 30 Sep 1998 08:27:00 -0400
From: Alan AMBERS <[log in to unmask]>
Subject: Re: Samba Config help
Andreas and all...
HOSTS and RESLVCNF.NET.SYS both exist as we have been doing networking
stuff for quite some time. We just set up the links to /etc/hosts and
/etc/resolv.conf.
Since we have DNS running, what other than the loopback do we need in
/etc/hosts? Do we put the system name someplace, or only the ip address
on the interface line?
Also, just to get this going, I'm not trying INETD. We have it running
for Telnet, but I don't have the lines added for smb/nmb. I *assume*
that this is not going to be a problem.
The other symptom which I didn't explicitly say is that jsmb dies just
quits after a minute or two. It prints the log entries that I mentioned
in my original message listed below.
Since the log file error message is printing the beginning of our
domain, I did a quick search (grep) within the NET group and didn't turn
up anything other then the resolv.conf file.
Other ideas?
/alan
Andreas said...
>
> HOSTS and RESLVCNF must exist in NET.SYS - did you check this ?
> A link from /etc/ to these files is helpful as well for INETD.
>
> Best regards, Andreas Schmidt, CSC, Germany
> Subject: Samba Config help
>
>
Original message....from Alan
>
>
> Greetings -
> We are trying to install samba and are having a few problems.
> I think all the networking stuff is correct. We have hosts.net
> (and it's posix name) with both a loopback and we added the local
> machine name. We also have DNS set up and have been using it for
quite
> some time.
> The message we are getting in /SAMBA/PUB/var/log.smb is:
> Get_Hostbyname: Unknown host co.
> Added interface ip=10.1.8.248 bcast=10.1.15.255 nmask=255.255.240.0
> Get_Hostbyname: Unknown host. co
>
> "co" is the beginning of our domain name (co.frederick.md.us). The
> machine name is "xl3". I can't find anyplace other than /etc/hosts
and
> /etc/resolv.conf where these names would exist (other than dns). And
> nslookups from our unix box seem to work fine so I don't suspect
> anything wrong with dns.
> We have inetd running, but we don't have this set up to run under
inetd.
> Any ideas?
> Thanks in Advance
> /alan
> [log in to unmask]
>
>
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Date: Wed, 30 Sep 1998 13:58:46 +0100
From: Patrick Muylaert <[log in to unmask]>
Subject: Re: Samba Config help
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Alan,
Don't forget to setup the following in SERVICES.NET:
nmbp 137/udp
smbp 139/tcp
Also, I had our HP set up as node.domain.org and that didn't work with
our
proxy and NT DNS. In the hosts file (although I didn't change anything
in
any router or HP configuration) on the NT running the proxy and DNS, I
created a line containing nothing but "node IP-address" i.s.o.
node.domain.org and that did it for me.
Hope this helps.
Pat.
-----Original Message-----
From: Alan AMBERS [mailto:[log in to unmask]]
Andreas and all...
HOSTS and RESLVCNF.NET.SYS both exist as we have been doing networking
stuff for quite some time. We just set up the links to /etc/hosts and
/etc/resolv.conf.
Since we have DNS running, what other than the loopback do we need in
/etc/hosts? Do we put the system name someplace, or only the ip address
on the interface line?
Also, just to get this going, I'm not trying INETD. We have it running
for Telnet, but I don't have the lines added for smb/nmb. I *assume*
that this is not going to be a problem.
The other symptom which I didn't explicitly say is that jsmb dies just
quits after a minute or two. It prints the log entries that I mentioned
in my original message listed below.
Since the log file error message is printing the beginning of our
domain, I did a quick search (grep) within the NET group and didn't turn
up anything other then the resolv.conf file.
Other ideas?
/alan
Andreas said...
>
> HOSTS and RESLVCNF must exist in NET.SYS - did you check this ?
> A link from /etc/ to these files is helpful as well for INETD.
>
> Best regards, Andreas Schmidt, CSC, Germany
> Subject: Samba Config help
>
>
Original message....from Alan
>
>
> Greetings -
> We are trying to install samba and are having a few problems.
> I think all the networking stuff is correct. We have hosts.net
> (and it's posix name) with both a loopback and we added the local
> machine name. We also have DNS set up and have been using it for
quite
> some time.
> The message we are getting in /SAMBA/PUB/var/log.smb is:
> Get_Hostbyname: Unknown host co.
> Added interface ip=10.1.8.248 bcast=10.1.15.255 nmask=255.255.240.0
> Get_Hostbyname: Unknown host. co
>
> "co" is the beginning of our domain name (co.frederick.md.us). The
> machine name is "xl3". I can't find anyplace other than /etc/hosts
and
> /etc/resolv.conf where these names would exist (other than dns). And
> nslookups from our unix box seem to work fine so I don't suspect
> anything wrong with dns.
> We have inetd running, but we don't have this set up to run under
inetd.
> Any ideas?
> Thanks in Advance
> /alan
> [log in to unmask]
>
>
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<P><FONT SIZE=3D2>Alan,</FONT>
</P>
<P><FONT SIZE=3D2>Don't forget to setup the following in =
SERVICES.NET:</FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>nmbp =
137/udp</FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>smbp
=
139/tcp</FONT>
</P>
<P><FONT SIZE=3D2>Also, I had our HP set up as node.domain.org and that
=
didn't work with our proxy and NT DNS. In the hosts file (although I =
didn't change anything in any router or HP configuration) on the NT =
running the proxy and DNS, I created a line containing nothing but =
"node IP-address" i.s.o. node.domain.org and that did it for =
me.</FONT></P>
<P><FONT SIZE=3D2>Hope this helps.</FONT>
</P>
<P><FONT SIZE=3D2>Pat.</FONT>
</P>
<BR>
<P><FONT SIZE=3D2>-----Original Message-----</FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>From: Alan AMBERS [<A =
HREF=3D"mailto:[log in to unmask]" =
TARGET=3D"_blank">mailto:[log in to unmask]</A>]</FONT>
</P>
<P><FONT SIZE=3D2>Andreas and all...</FONT>
</P>
<P><FONT SIZE=3D2>HOSTS and RESLVCNF.NET.SYS both exist as we have been
=
doing networking</FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>stuff for quite some time. We just set up the =
links to /etc/hosts and</FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>/etc/resolv.conf.</FONT>
</P>
<P><FONT SIZE=3D2>Since we have DNS running, what other than the =
loopback do we need in</FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>/etc/hosts? Do we put the system name =
someplace, or only the ip address</FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=3D2> on the interface line?</FONT>
</P>
<P><FONT SIZE=3D2>Also, just to get this going, I'm not trying =
INETD. We have it running</FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>for Telnet, but I don't have the lines added for =
smb/nmb. I *assume*</FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>that this is not going to be a problem.</FONT>
</P>
<P><FONT SIZE=3D2>The other symptom which I didn't explicitly say is =
that jsmb dies just</FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>quits after a minute or two. It prints the log
=
entries that I mentioned</FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>in my original message listed below.</FONT>
</P>
<BR>
<P><FONT SIZE=3D2>Since the log file error message is printing the =
beginning of our</FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>domain, I did a quick search (grep) within the NET =
group and didn't turn</FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=3D2> up anything other then the resolv.conf =
file.</FONT>
</P>
<P><FONT SIZE=3D2>Other ideas?</FONT>
</P>
<P><FONT SIZE=3D2>/alan</FONT>
</P>
<BR>
<BR>
<P><FONT SIZE=3D2>Andreas said...</FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>></FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>> HOSTS and RESLVCNF must exist in NET.SYS - did =
you check this ?</FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>> A link from /etc/ to these files is helpful as =
well for INETD.</FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>></FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>> Best regards, Andreas Schmidt, CSC, =
Germany</FONT>
</P>
<P><FONT SIZE=3D2>> Subject: Samba Config help</FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>></FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>></FONT>
</P>
<P><FONT SIZE=3D2>Original message....from Alan</FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>></FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>></FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>> Greetings -</FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>> We are trying to install samba and are having a
=
few problems.</FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>> I think all the networking stuff is =
correct. We have hosts.net</FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>> (and it's posix name) with both a loopback and =
we added the local</FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>> machine name. We also have DNS set up and
=
have been using it for</FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>quite</FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>> some time.</FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>> The message we are getting in =
/SAMBA/PUB/var/log.smb is:</FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>> Get_Hostbyname: Unknown host co.</FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>> Added interface ip=3D10.1.8.248 =
bcast=3D10.1.15.255 nmask=3D255.255.240.0</FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>> Get_Hostbyname: Unknown host. co</FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>></FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>> "co" is the beginning of our domain =
name (co.frederick.md.us). The</FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>> machine name is "xl3". I can't =
find anyplace other than /etc/hosts</FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>and</FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>> /etc/resolv.conf where these names would exist =
(other than dns). And</FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>> nslookups from our unix box seem to work fine =
so I don't suspect</FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>> anything wrong with dns.</FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>> We have inetd running, but we don't have this =
set up to run under</FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>inetd.</FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>> Any ideas?</FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>> Thanks in Advance</FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>> /alan</FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>> [log in to unmask]</FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>></FONT>
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Date: Wed, 30 Sep 1998 10:00:43 -0400
From: P Shugart <[log in to unmask]>
Subject: NFS/iX for mpe?
John,
Now this is the type of response I like to see from a vendor!
It's not so much that I want the product changed. What irritated me was
the
implication (in the literature *and* the support line) that you could
perform
NFS functions while at the MPE prompt.
I suppose the advantages to "MPEing" NFS are:
1) Easier to use
2) Error checking/handling would be simplified.
I believe we still would have purchased the product even if the
documentation
stated "Posix only."
Pat Shugart
Oaksoft Consulting, Inc.
(540) 882-3749
================
John Saylor <[log in to unmask]> wrote...
In response to the recent chat on NFS from the MPE prompt. How many of
you
there would like to see this enhancement to the product? Also please
state why
you think it will add value to the product. Anything else, suggestions
or
otherwise we would love to hear from you.
We will consider this enhancement in our next development meeting.
Until now
we have several hundred existing customers that have not raised this as
a
concern. If there are those of you out there not willing to purchase
due to
this lack of functionality we will be happy to incorporate this change.
John Saylor
U.S. MPE Sales Manager
-----Original Message-----
From: P Shugart [mailto:[log in to unmask]]
Sent: Wednesday, September 23, 1998 1:36 PM
To: [log in to unmask]
Subject: nfs for mpe?
Donna,
Just a word of advice/warning. You can't use NFS from the MPE prompt
(unless the product has drastically changed in the last 12 months).
/snip/
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Date: Wed, 30 Sep 1998 10:14:00 -0400
From: Alan AMBERS <[log in to unmask]>
Subject: Re: Samba Config help
Pat - A couple of questions.....
>
> Alan,
>
> Don't forget to setup the following in SERVICES.NET:
> nmbp 137/udp
> smbp 139/tcp
I went ahead and added those and it didn't make any difference. I also
did a NETCONTROL UPDATE=INTERNET;LAN=LOOP (and LAN1) to make sure that
took affect.
>
> Also, I had our HP set up as node.domain.org and that didn't work with
our
> proxy and NT DNS. In the hosts file (although I didn't change anything
in
> any router or HP configuration) on the NT running the proxy and DNS, I
> created a line containing nothing but "node IP-address" i.s.o.
> node.domain.org and that did it for me.
Can you explain this a little more. I believe we have everything set up
for full internet domain, but can you explain what you mean by "i.s.o".
We are using unix DNS/bind.
The internet name is "xl3.co.frederick.md.us"
The node.domain.organization name is "XL3.FRED.IDPA"
>
> Hope this helps.
>
> Pat.
>
Just for reference, these are the messages we are getting out of the log
files
shell/iX> cat log.smb
Get_Hostbyname: Unknown host co.
Added interface ip=10.1.8.248 bcast=10.1.15.255 nmask=255.255.240.0
Get_Hostbyname: Unknown host. co
shell/iX> cat log.nmb
09/30/98 10:07:28 netbios nameserver version 1.9.16p9 started
Copyright Andrew Tridgell 1994
Get_Hostbyname: Unknown host co.
Added interface ip=10.1.8.248 bcast=10.1.15.255 nmask=255.255.240.0
Get_Hostbyname: Unknown host.
shell/iX> exit
Again, "co." is the beginning of our domain name which would make me
think something in DNS is screwed up, but I can't find anything wrong
for the life of me.
/alan
Alan "Thankful for the help so far, but still searching" Ambers
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Date: Wed, 30 Sep 1998 14:16:51 +0000
From: Tracy Johnson <[log in to unmask]>
Subject: Re: Making IMAGE data available to PCs
This message from Patrick has seems to have no text and if I reply to it
with the option of including the original message, it causes "PINE" to
bomb.
Tracy Johnson
[log in to unmask]
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Date: Wed, 30 Sep 1998 10:18:41 -0400
From: Russ Kahler <[log in to unmask]>
Subject: Diagnostic Daemons and Full System Backups.
Many Moons ago, when we upgraded to 5.5.04; We came across something =
particular in the manual ( page 6-22 of the 5.5 system software
maintenance=
manual) . The manual states that after completing the upgrade and
making =
a backup SLT, that you should do a full system backup...including going
=
into sysdiag and shutting down the PSMON and MEMLOGP daemons.=20
Is this step necessary for all full system backups? Am I short changing
=
myself by not shutting down these daemons on a regular basis for store?
I =
know that both of these files are on the SLT, but I am confused as to
why =
HP would refer to a "full system backup" as having these daemons shut
down =
on 6-22 of the manual, and not mention that step anywhere else?=20
Just trying to avoid those oh-so-long system reloads...thanks for any
info =
you can offer.
Russ Kahler
Operations Analyst
Lucas County Data Processing=20
One Goverment Center Suite #400
Toledo, OH 43604
Voice: (419) 213-4633
Fax : (419) 213-4024
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Date: Wed, 30 Sep 1998 14:32:41 +0100
From: Patrick Muylaert <[log in to unmask]>
Subject: Re: Samba Config help
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From: [log in to unmask]
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Sent: Wednesday, September 30, 1998 15:14
To: [log in to unmask]; [log in to unmask]
Cc: [log in to unmask]
Subject: RE: Samba Config help
Pat - A couple of questions.....
>
> Alan,
>
> Don't forget to setup the following in SERVICES.NET:
> nmbp 137/udp
> smbp 139/tcp
I went ahead and added those and it didn't make any difference. I also
did a NETCONTROL UPDATE=INTERNET;LAN=LOOP (and LAN1) to make sure that
took affect.
>
> Also, I had our HP set up as node.domain.org and that didn't work with
our
> proxy and NT DNS. In the hosts file (although I didn't change anything
in
> any router or HP configuration) on the NT running the proxy and DNS, I
> created a line containing nothing but "node IP-address" i.s.o.
> node.domain.org and that did it for me.
Can you explain this a little more. I believe we have everything set up
for full internet domain, but can you explain what you mean by "i.s.o".
I meant "in stead of". As I noticed that your DNS is looking in its host
file "co" which is only part of the host name, I remembered that we had
this
kind of problem as well. When I reduced the name to one single word
only in
the host file with the IP address of the HP, it worked just fine for me.
This name can even be completely different from anything you have
already
set up for your HP3000 in the DNS, proxy, router and HP itself. It's
weird,
I know.
We are using unix DNS/bind.
The internet name is "xl3.co.frederick.md.us"
The node.domain.organization name is "XL3.FRED.IDPA"
>
> Hope this helps.
>
> Pat.
>
Just for reference, these are the messages we are getting out of the log
files
shell/iX> cat log.smb
Get_Hostbyname: Unknown host co.
Added interface ip=10.1.8.248 bcast=10.1.15.255 nmask=255.255.240.0
Get_Hostbyname: Unknown host. co
shell/iX> cat log.nmb
09/30/98 10:07:28 netbios nameserver version 1.9.16p9 started
Copyright Andrew Tridgell 1994
Get_Hostbyname: Unknown host co.
Added interface ip=10.1.8.248 bcast=10.1.15.255 nmask=255.255.240.0
Get_Hostbyname: Unknown host.
shell/iX> exit
Again, "co." is the beginning of our domain name which would make me
think something in DNS is screwed up, but I can't find anything wrong
for the life of me.
/alan
Alan "Thankful for the help so far, but still searching" Ambers
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<BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>From: [log in to unmask]</FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>[<A HREF=3D"mailto:[log in to unmask]" =
TARGET=3D"_blank">mailto:[log in to unmask]</A>]</FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>Sent: Wednesday, September 30, 1998 15:14</FONT>
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<BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>Subject: RE: Samba Config help</FONT>
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<BR>
<P><FONT SIZE=3D2>Pat - A couple of questions.....</FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>></FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>> Alan,</FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>></FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>> Don't forget to setup the following in =
SERVICES.NET:</FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>> nmbp =
137/udp</FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>> =
smbp 139/tcp</FONT>
</P>
<P><FONT SIZE=3D2>I went ahead and added those and it didn't make any =
difference. I also</FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>did a NETCONTROL UPDATE=3DINTERNET;LAN=3DLOOP (and =
LAN1) to make sure that</FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>took affect.</FONT>
</P>
<P><FONT SIZE=3D2>></FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>> Also, I had our HP set up as node.domain.org =
and that didn't work with</FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>our</FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>> proxy and NT DNS. In the hosts file (although I
=
didn't change anything</FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>in</FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>> any router or HP configuration) on the NT =
running the proxy and DNS, I</FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>> created a line containing nothing but =
"node IP-address" i.s.o.</FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>> node.domain.org and that did it for me.</FONT>
</P>
<P><FONT SIZE=3D2>Can you explain this a little more. I believe =
we have everything set up</FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>for full internet domain, but can you explain what =
you mean by "i.s.o".</FONT>
</P>
<P><FONT SIZE=3D2>I meant "in stead of". As I noticed that =
your DNS is looking in its host file "co" which is only part =
of the host name, I remembered that we had this kind of problem as =
well. When I reduced the name to one single word only in the host file =
with the IP address of the HP, it worked just fine for me. This name =
can even be completely different from anything you have already set up =
for your HP3000 in the DNS, proxy, router and HP itself. It's weird, I =
know.</FONT></P>
<P><FONT SIZE=3D2>We are using unix DNS/bind.</FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>The internet name is =
"xl3.co.frederick.md.us"</FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>The node.domain.organization name is =
"XL3.FRED.IDPA"</FONT>
</P>
<BR>
<P><FONT SIZE=3D2>></FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>> Hope this helps.</FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>></FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>> Pat.</FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>></FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>Just for reference, these are the messages we are =
getting out of the log</FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>files</FONT>
</P>
<P><FONT SIZE=3D2>shell/iX> cat log.smb</FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>Get_Hostbyname: Unknown host co.</FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>Added interface ip=3D10.1.8.248 bcast=3D10.1.15.255 =
nmask=3D255.255.240.0</FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>Get_Hostbyname: Unknown host. co</FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>shell/iX> cat log.nmb</FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>09/30/98 10:07:28 netbios nameserver version =
1.9.16p9 started</FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>Copyright Andrew Tridgell 1994</FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>Get_Hostbyname: Unknown host co.</FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>Added interface ip=3D10.1.8.248 bcast=3D10.1.15.255 =
nmask=3D255.255.240.0</FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>Get_Hostbyname: Unknown host.</FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>shell/iX> exit</FONT>
</P>
<P><FONT SIZE=3D2>Again, "co." is the beginning of our domain
=
name which would make me</FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>think something in DNS is screwed up, but I can't =
find anything wrong</FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>for the life of me.</FONT>
</P>
<P><FONT SIZE=3D2>/alan</FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>Alan "Thankful for the help so far, but still =
searching" Ambers</FONT>
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Date: Wed, 30 Sep 1998 07:32:35 -0700
From: Art H Bahrs <[log in to unmask]>
Subject: Re: Making IMAGE data available to PCs
Hi Tracy and Pat :)
um... I only got blankness too... but figured Lotus Notes just
couldn't
handle whatever he sent ... not a totally unusual circumstance hehehe
Lately, I get a few a day that are blank :( ... I was beginning to
think that I was the only one tho... again not that unusual hehehe
Art "Is it the Weekend yet?" Bahrs
This message from Patrick has seems to have no text and if I reply to it
with the option of including the original message, it causes "PINE" to
bomb.
Tracy Johnson
[log in to unmask]
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Date: Tue, 29 Sep 1998 18:08:06 -0500
From: Curtis Larsen <[log in to unmask]>
Subject: Line Editors: Results (or "All Rise for the Docs-ology")
Many (many) thanks to everyone who replied both to the list and
privately regarding TDP -- Now I know what it is, and why we had it.
(With much fanfare, the 2680 rolled out the door last week. Don't
ask what the support costs were.)
For the curious at heart, the results of host-based line-editor
preferences (in preference order) were as follows:
1. QEdit (Natch.)
2. QUAD (Ditto.)
3. TDP (How 'BOUT that?)
4. EDITOR (The Untamed)
5. EMACS (Dunno... never tried it.)
6. vi (No one will ever convince me this isn't left over
from some Berkley hazing-week survival test.)
So, for those on a budget, Quad -- being free -- would appear to be
the hands-down preferred winner.
Honorable mention goes to the Samba/PFE combo for the
"better-than-dirt-cheap" (i.e. "free")
sorta-C/S-if-you-look-at-it-sideways offering, and to Whisper
Technology's "FTP Plus" sorta-C/S-in-another-way product for the
"near-dirt-cheap" ($99) offering [though I must admit that I have
previously not heard of, nor ever used, the latter].
Thanks again!
PS - Note responsible for the post-user-exit tagline.
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Date: Wed, 30 Sep 1998 10:51:00 -0400
From: Alan AMBERS <[log in to unmask]>
Subject: Re: Samba Config help
Pat said...
> I meant "in stead of". As I noticed that your DNS is looking in its
host
> file "co" which is only part of the host name, I remembered that we
had this
> kind of problem as well. When I reduced the name to one single word
only in
> the host file with the IP address of the HP, it worked just fine for
me.
> This name can even be completely different from anything you have
already
> set up for your HP3000 in the DNS, proxy, router and HP itself. It's
weird,
> I know.
I made the change and still no difference. Here is a snipit from our
hosts file. Keep in mind, before I tried Samaba, there was no entry for
XL3, only the loop back. To test out Patrick's idea, I commented out
the line with the fully qualified name and ailias and just put a
seperate entry:
#
127.0.0.1 localhost loopback me myself local
# 10.1.8.248 xl3.co.frederick.md.us xl3
10.1.8.248 xl3
-------------------------------------
Since I'm sharing files, here is the bit out of the RESLVNCF file:
domain co.frederick.md.us
nameserver 192.23.1.251
#Added second nameserver on 01/19/98
nameserver 10.1.8.253
-----------------------------------
/alan
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Date: Wed, 30 Sep 1998 09:55:49 -0500
From: Larry Boyd <[log in to unmask]>
Subject: Re: Versions?
Ewart North writes:
> I know this list is for HP3000 Users but I also know that many
> (?)use HP9000
> so I thought I would ask my question here as I have no access to an
HP9000
> list.
>
> What is the current, latest release of:....
>
> HP-UX?
11.0, but 10.20 and 10.30 are still the most popular
> Oracle?
Oracle8, or Oracle8i (I don't remember if this is released)
> Oracle on the HP3000?
Oracle 7.3.? (I think it's .1, but I don't remember exactly)
> Oracle on the HP9000?
You can get Oracle8 (8.0.2 I think) on UX.
From memory, so may not be exactly correct,
lb
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Date: Wed, 30 Sep 1998 11:02:20 EDT
From: Tom Madigan <[log in to unmask]>
Subject: Connection Help With Minisoft 92
I'm trying to connect to our HPs using Minisoft 92 emulator and a NS/VT
connection over a Windows 95 dial-up networking connection. Here at
work=
, we
use, of course, a direct network connection over our LAN with Windows
NT =
and
everything operates as advertised. When I try to use the dial-up
network=
ing
connection, MS 92 just sits there and stares at me until the connection
attempt times out.
I've reviewed my connection settings and everything else works OK
(Netsca=
pe,
POP3, etc.). Is it possible that I need to configure some other
protocol=
? =
Any ideas??
Thanks in advance!!! This group has been a LIFE SAVER!!
Tom Madigan
BE-U-T-FUL Southeast Pennsylvania
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Date: Wed, 30 Sep 1998 08:07:06 -0700
From: James Alexander <[log in to unmask]>
Subject: Re: Line Editors: Results (or "All Rise for the Docs-ology")
Hey, who told him this secret! ;-)
Curtis Larsen wrote:
> Many (many) thanks to everyone who replied both to the list and
[major snip]
> 6. vi (No one will ever convince me this isn't left over
> from some Berkley hazing-week survival test.)
--
Jim Alexander Longs Drug Stores
Sr. Systems Programmer 925-210-6901
The opinions expressed are Mine and not Longs Drugs
------------------------------
Date: Wed, 30 Sep 1998 15:09:19 +0000
From: Tracy Johnson <[log in to unmask]>
Subject: Re: Making IMAGE data available to PCs
On Wed, 30 Sep 1998, Tony Furnivall wrote:
> There was all sorts of stuff afterwards, but I gues for once, one of
these
> insulting comments from Exchange seems to be accurate! I've attached
the
> rest of the message...Have you thought about getting a different mail
> client? Eudora works like a charm for me!
I use MS/Outlook as a client. I think it is a great grandchild of
Eudora.
I use PINE on my ISP host to "preview" all my messages in text mode
before
I endanger my PC by downloading any attachments with MS/Outlook. I can
delete it at the host.
Which is what I did in this case. Any message that can cause PINE (or
ELM for that matter) to bomb on a Unix host can't be healthy at the PC
level either.
Tracy Johnson
[log in to unmask]
------------------------------
Date: Wed, 30 Sep 1998 10:17:40 -0500
From: Larry Boyd <[log in to unmask]>
Subject: Re: Making IMAGE data available to PCs
Tracy Johnson wrote:
> I use MS/Outlook as a client. I think it is a great grandchild of
Eudora.
>
> I use PINE on my ISP host to "preview" all my messages in text mode
before
> I endanger my PC by downloading any attachments with MS/Outlook. I
can
> delete it at the host.
>
> Which is what I did in this case. Any message that can cause PINE (or
> ELM for that matter) to bomb on a Unix host can't be healthy at the PC
> level either.
I also use Outlook, but I do just the opposite activity. I have it
configured to delete the messages off the mail server. If OL blows, I
immediately jump on the mail server and use ELM to check the first
message.
After reading, if able, I deleted it, and then restart OL. This allows
me
to use OL as much as possible, saving the time of previewing all the
messages before using it. So far it's worked well, and I've only
needed to
use ELM about 4-5 times during the past 12 months.
lb
------------------------------
Date: Wed, 30 Sep 1998 11:43:31 EDT
From: Allan Chalmers <[log in to unmask]>
Subject: How to Subscribe to HP-UX List?
Could someone tell me how to subscribe to the subject list? TIA
------------------------------
Date: Wed, 30 Sep 1998 11:51:35 -0400
From: David Burney <[log in to unmask]>
Subject: Thanks to the list !
Thanks to all that gave input and suggestions on our installation and
configuration of the 100BaseT card. I'll probably bite the bullet in
about 3
weeks and do what it takes to get it done.
Thanks again !
David Burney
------------------------------
Date: Wed, 30 Sep 1998 09:11:05 -0700
From: Mark Bixby <[log in to unmask]>
Subject: Re: Samba files and VB5
Neil Harvey writes:
> We found that APACHE didn't like the raw "mv"ed files, so we 'cat'ed
> them instead, and Lo!, it worked. The symptom was that Apache never
> completed loading the files.
>
> #MV.HPBIN.SYS;info="-f !file3 !fullname"
> sh.hpbin.sys;info="-c '/bin/cat !file3 > !fullname'"
>
> Try doing this first before you Samba them across to the PC, or let
the
> PC look at them via SAMBA.
This POSIX bytestream emulator "feature" is well known to us denizens of
POSIXland. ;-)
Let's say you have an MPE fixed record length ASCII file of recsize X
and Y
number of records.
If a web browser asks Apache to return this file, Apache first calls
the POSIX
stat() function to determine the file size in bytes so a
Content-length: HTTP
header can be returned to the browser to let the browser know how many
bytes
of file data will follow.
For MPE fixed ASCII files, stat() will return a filesize of (X
[recsize]+1) *
Y [number of records]. The +1 is to account for the POSIX newline
character
that will be added by the bytestream emulator to delimit the end of
each MPE
record.
So far so good. But what causes confusion is that the POSIX bytestream
emulator will cause all trailing blanks to be removed from MPE fixed
ASCII
files as they are read by POSIX I/O functions. Thus in the web server
case,
the browser was expecting Content-length: amount of bytes to be
returned, but
due to blank truncation, fewer bytes than expected are returned to the
browser.
Netscape's browser will appear to hang for a long while, then will
eventually
time out.
The same problem may occur in a Samba environment. Some PC programs
will ask
Samba "how big is the file?" and Samba will return the stat() value
discussed
above. The PC program will then expect to read that many bytes, but
when EOF
comes prematurely, weird results may happen, ranging from error
messages to
GPF aborts.
Not all PC programs have trouble Samba-ing MPE fixed ASCII files. I
suspect
the programs that work OK are just reading until EOF without doing
stat()
first and getting that false expectation of file size.
Neil's /bin/cat workaround is effectively doing a /bin/tobyte on the
file, i.e.
converting the file to a bytestream file. Trailing blanks have already
been
removed from the resulting bytestream file, so the stat() filesize will
be
accurate, and both Apache and Samba applications should be happy.
So the moral of the story is that for best results with POSIX
applications,
native POSIX bytestream files are the best way to store your data. MPE
record
files may or may not work as expected.
--
Mark Bixby E-mail: [log in to unmask]
Coast Community College Dist. Web: http://www.cccd.edu/~markb/
District Information Services 1370 Adams Ave, Costa Mesa, CA, USA
92626-5429
Technical Support Voice: +1 714 438-4647
"You can tune a file system, but you can't tune a fish." - tunefs(1M)
------------------------------
Date: Wed, 30 Sep 1998 16:17:26 +0000
From: Tracy Johnson <[log in to unmask]>
Subject: Re: Making IMAGE data available to PCs
On Wed, 30 Sep 1998, Larry Boyd wrote:
> I also use Outlook, but I do just the opposite activity. I have it
> configured to delete the messages off the mail server. If OL blows, I
> immediately jump on the mail server and use ELM to check the first
message.
> After reading, if able, I deleted it, and then restart OL. This
allows me
> to use OL as much as possible, saving the time of previewing all the
> messages before using it. So far it's worked well, and I've only
needed to
> use ELM about 4-5 times during the past 12 months.
There is another reason I preview with text based email on the host.
There will always be some clown (not this list) who will send me some
multimegabyte e-mail joke .gif .jpg or .exe attachment that I DON'T want
downloaded through a dial-up connection. PINE won't display them but it
will tell me the filename, thus allowing me to delete before
downloading.
Tracy Johnson
[log in to unmask]
------------------------------
Date: Wed, 30 Sep 1998 11:11:27 -0500
From: Paula Goettl <[log in to unmask]>
Subject: HOW TO PRINT TO NETWORK PRINTERS FROM HP3000
I would like to know how to print to network printers on a ethernet 10bt
network printer with jetdirect card from the hp3000.
------------------------------
Date: Wed, 30 Sep 1998 12:34:52 -0400
From: John Zoltak <[log in to unmask]>
Subject: Re: Connection Help With Minisoft 92
Tom,
If you're using Windows NT as the dial-up server, did you enable access
to the entire network or the server only. This is one of the settings in
the RAS configuration. Can you PING your hp3000 from the outside. If so,
how about name resolution. Does the name of the hp3000 resolve OK. Try
to ping by name. Are you using DNS? Try fully qualifying the hp3000 name
on the minisoft connection, as in node.domain.org.
So many possibilities, so little time.
Hope this helps
John Zoltak
North American Mfg Co
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Tom Madigan [SMTP:[log in to unmask]]
> Sent: Wednesday, September 30, 1998 11:02 AM
> To: [log in to unmask]
> Subject: [HP3000-L] Connection Help With Minisoft 92
>
> I'm trying to connect to our HPs using Minisoft 92 emulator and a
> NS/VT
> connection over a Windows 95 dial-up networking connection. Here at
> work, we
> use, of course, a direct network connection over our LAN with Windows
> NT and
> everything operates as advertised. When I try to use the dial-up
> networking
> connection, MS 92 just sits there and stares at me until the
> connection
> attempt times out.
>
> I've reviewed my connection settings and everything else works OK
> (Netscape,
> POP3, etc.). Is it possible that I need to configure some other
> protocol?
> Any ideas??
>
> Thanks in advance!!! This group has been a LIFE SAVER!!
>
> Tom Madigan
> BE-U-T-FUL Southeast Pennsylvania
>
>
>
> ____________________________________________________________________
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> http://home.netscape.com/netcenter/mail
------------------------------
Date: Wed, 30 Sep 1998 09:44:10 PST8PDT
From: Bob Walker <[log in to unmask]>
Subject: Apache and posix question
Two separate questions:
1) What's the accepted way of removing a person from an Apache
password file? vi(or editor of your choice)?
2) Has anybody found a way to get any type of redo capability in the
posix shell? I have access to the bash shell on all our unix
boxes(linux,sco,and DUX), Qedit has it's own, AQ and QUERY have MPEX
hooks. Just the posix shell is left out in the cold.
Bob.
--=--=--
Bob Walker, Computer Centre -- [log in to unmask]
Capilano College, North Vancouver, BC, CANADA.
<from 'The Tao of Programming'>
Thus spake the master programmer:
'A well written program is its own heaven; a poorly written program its
own hell'
------------------------------
Date: Wed, 30 Sep 1998 10:39:12 -0600
From: Ron Tilby <[log in to unmask]>
Subject: DBUTIL ERASE corrupts db
After we upgraded from MPE/ix 5.5 PowerPatch 4 to 5.5 PowerPatch 5,
we started having problems with loading a database that gets
ERASED using DBUTIL version C.07.04
HP has confirmed that there is a problem using DBUTIL to ERASE=20
databases.
I thought I'd mention it here, since it hasn't shown up on the HP ESC
yet.
------------------------------
Date: Wed, 30 Sep 1998 10:09:17 -0800
From: Jim Kramer <[log in to unmask]>
Subject: Re: Making IMAGE data available to PCs
My understanding of data warehouses is that the contain snapshots over
time of
operational data. Therefore they offer perspective that the operation
database
cannot.
It is more than just a copy of operational data for reporting purposes.
Jim
> Date: Tue, 29 Sep 1998 16:25:41 EDT
> Reply-to: [log in to unmask]
> From: Wirt Atmar <[log in to unmask]>
> Subject: Re: Making IMAGE data available to PCs
> To: [log in to unmask]
> Paul Christidis writes:
>
> > Existing IMAGE based application. Other users want to access the
same data
> > from a number of desktop utilities. It has been suggested to
periodically
> > extract the IMAGE data to flat files, transfer them to a 'data
warehouse'
> > machine and let the users 'go at it'.
> >
> > Any suggestions where, perhaps, the data stay in IMAGE and are
still
> > available to the users or where the transfer occurs dynamically as
changes
> > are made to the IMAGE bases system, would be welcomed.
>
> Paul,
>
> This subject represents one of my current irritants, so please excuse
the
> animated nature of my reply. In short, I feel that data warehouses
are an idea
> designed primarily to separate users from their money. Moreover,
implementing
> data warehouses is a process that tends to give the appearance of
progress and
> activity at the expense of careful thought.
>
> I feel all the more strongly about this when the databases are
IMAGE-based.
>
> Data warehousing was an idea that was born almost wholly in the RDBMS
> community, particularly among those people who had designed wildly
over-
> normalized databases. Query extractions against these databases
simply took
> forever -- and these people were faced with a choice: either use the
database
> for data entry or data reporting, but not both.
>
> Nonetheless, the first great rule of data processing 25 years ago
was: don't
> duplicate your data. Keep a central, single point of control. If you
duplicate
> any part of your operation, data, code, whatever, you screw yourself
up in a
> thousand simple ways, all of which make life extraordinarily more
complex.
>
> I don't think that there's any reason to believe that the rule has
any less
> validity today.
>
> Moreover, a well thought out, properly indexed IMAGE database can be
designed
> to allow both very high speed entry and very high speed retrievals,
especially
> now that CIUPDATE allows you to add new automatic masters where
necessary and
> these masters can be b-treed with such enormous ease.
>
> Secondly, if the "data warehouse" is to appear on the same machine as
the
> original database, what have you gained? CPU utilization will be the
same or
> greater and database synchronizations are going to be a constant and
pervasive
> problem, particularly so if you care about the accuracy of the data
in the
> duplicated database.
>
> Adding keys where necessary to existing IMAGE databases for
effective, high-
> efficiency queries is a virtually zero cost process, but it will get
you
> virtually everything that any data warehouse vendor will promise you,
at
> almost no increase in disc space utilization, CPU bother, or fiscal
cost, but
> with all of the advantages attendant to simplicity of operation --
and those
> advantages can never be minimized.
>
> Wirt Atmar
>
Jim Kramer /Lund Performance Solutions
Director of Research and Development
phone: (541) 926-3800 fax: (541) 926-7723
email: [log in to unmask] home: [log in to unmask]
http://www.lund.com
------------------------------
Date: Wed, 30 Sep 1998 09:21:00 -0700
From: "Paul H. Christidis" <[log in to unmask]>
Subject: Re: Diagnostic Daemons and Full System Backups.
This is only a guess. Could it be that those processes are somehow
responsible for 'securing' certain 'vital' system files from being
purged by
keeping them open and thus not included on a normal backup?
Paul
______________________________ Reply Separator
_________________________________
Subject: Diagnostic Daemons and Full System Backups.
Author: [log in to unmask] at mime
Date: 09/30/98 07:18
Many Moons ago, when we upgraded to 5.5.04; We came across something
particular
in the manual ( page 6-22 of the 5.5 system software maintenance
manual) .
The manual states that after completing the upgrade and making a
backup SLT,
that you should do a full system backup...including going into
sysdiag and
shutting down the PSMON and MEMLOGP daemons.
Is this step necessary for all full system backups? Am I short changing
myself
by not shutting down these daemons on a regular basis for store? I
know that
both of these files are on the SLT, but I am confused as to why HP
would
refer to a "full system backup" as having these daemons shut down on
6-22 of
the manual, and not mention that step anywhere else?
Just trying to avoid those oh-so-long system reloads...thanks for any
info you
can offer.
Russ Kahler
Operations Analyst
Lucas County Data Processing
One Goverment Center Suite #400
Toledo, OH 43604
Voice: (419) 213-4633
Fax : (419) 213-4024
------------------------------
Date: Wed, 30 Sep 1998 13:26:58 -0400
From: Jim Phillips <[log in to unmask]>
Subject: OFF TOPIC: Copying Files To Diskett
Thanks to all who responded to my message. I received more help than =
I wanted! :-)
I can't believe that MS did not include a way within standard WIN95 =
to copy large files across multiple floppy diskettes. I wanted to =
use WIN95 because that is what the end-user is familiar with. I can't =
go to their site (remote from us) and install any software, and I =
don't know if MS Backup is installed on the machine or if the end-user =
knows how to use it.
What the end-user wanted to do was to make copies of some files as of =
fiscal year end (9/30/1998) so they could refer to them later if need =
be. I told them to either back the files up to the internal tape =
drive (using CMS backup software) or to make a new folder (didn't =
folders use to be directories?) called FY1998 and copy the files =
to there or both.
Anyway, thanks to all who responded.
Jim Phillips Manager of Information Systems
Voice: (330) 527-2124 Therm-O-Link, Inc.
Fax: (330) 527-2123 PO Box 285; 10513 Freedom St.
Email: [log in to unmask] Garrettsville, Ohio 44231
------------------------------
Date: Wed, 30 Sep 1998 13:42:44 -0400
From: Joe Geiser <[log in to unmask]>
Subject: Re: Making IMAGE data available to PCs
Larry after Tracy,
> Tracy Johnson wrote:
> > I use MS/Outlook as a client. I think it is a great
> grandchild of Eudora.
> >
> > I use PINE on my ISP host to "preview" all my messages in
> text mode before
> > I endanger my PC by downloading any attachments with
> MS/Outlook. I can
> > delete it at the host.
> I also use Outlook, but I do just the opposite activity. I have it
> configured to delete the messages off the mail server. If OL blows, I
> immediately jump on the mail server and use ELM to check the
> first message.
First - Outlook has a Remote Mail feature -- on install, you can enable
it
for this feature. It will pull the headers of mail waiting on the
server
and let you download only what you want to download.
Secondly -- on the "blankness" - the message you were referring to was
RTF.
Outlook should have been able to handle that. If not - the text was:
<<snipped text inserted here>>
Or write your own socket-based applications. All logic running on the
HP,
less data traffic on your network. Although this approach is better for
GUI
applications than for reports I guess. On the other hand we publish
reports
on our intranet server that ran on the HP and were transfered to the
server
with Reflection commands in a Cobol file transfer program.
<<end of snipped text>>
Cheers,
Joe
------------------------------
Date: Wed, 30 Sep 1998 13:46:24 -0400
From: Joe Geiser <[log in to unmask]>
Subject: Re: Line Editors: Results (or "All Rise for the Docs-ology")
James Alexander said,
> Hey, who told him this secret! ;-)
>
> > 6. vi (No one will ever convince me this isn't left over
> > from some Berkley hazing-week survival test.)
I guess I would have flunked the hazing survival test. I hate vi, will
never use vi, never advocate vi -- I was forced into it the other day
-- but
I will ever remain loyal to QEDIT for Windows for my POSIX "C" Source
Code
Editing purposes (as well as other files).
Cheers,
Joe (who believes that vi was someone's idea of a practical joke on an
instructor at Berkeley ;)
------------------------------
Date: Wed, 30 Sep 1998 18:21:17 +0000
From: Tracy Johnson <[log in to unmask]>
Subject: Volume Set Memory Refresher
Someone please refresh my memory:
Does each group that you want on a different volume set require that a
duplicate group exist on the MPEXL_SYSTEM_VOLUME_SET for an account?
Or can the account survive with some groups not being on the
MPEXL_SYSTEM_VOLUME_SET at all?
Tracy Johnson
[log in to unmask]
------------------------------
Date: Wed, 30 Sep 1998 14:27:01 -0400
From: Ted Ashton <[log in to unmask]>
Subject: Re: Line Editors: Results (or "All Rise for the Docs-ology")
It sounds like vi could use some support from it's users! My
sympathies to all
those who have yet to achieve enlightenment ;-). There is no question
about
the difficulty of learning vi (a difficulty, by the by, which is
addressed in a
significant fashion in vim, which has a help facility). Yet, once that
learning has been done, vi is incredibly fast and powerful as a program
editor.
As y'all know, one must choose which optimizations to do and one of the
tradeoffs which often must be made is speed & efficiency vs.
"hand-holding".
Vi went pretty much entirely for the former.
Ted (who uses happily both vi and Qedit every day)
--
Ted Ashton ([log in to unmask]), Info Serv, Southern Adventist
University
==========================================================
This is not mathematics, it is theology.
[On being exposed to Hilbert's work in invariant theory.]
-- Gordon, P
------------------------------
Date: Wed, 30 Sep 1998 11:28:02 -0700
From: Donna Garverick <[log in to unmask]>
Subject: Re: Volume Set Memory Refresher
Tracy Johnson wrote:
> Does each group that you want on a different volume set require that a
> duplicate group exist on the MPEXL_SYSTEM_VOLUME_SET for an account?
not exactly sure what you're asking...but -- no
> Or can the account survive with some groups not being on the
> MPEXL_SYSTEM_VOLUME_SET at all?
yes. this is 'normal' when using private volumes. for that matter
not all the groups of an account have to 'live' on the same
volume. i highly recommend connecting to jazz and picking
up the new/purgeacct and new/purgegroup udc's. if you're
working on a system with private volumes, they'll make your
life a (greater? :-) joy. trust me :-) - d
--
Donna Garverick Sr. System Programmer
925-210-6631 [log in to unmask]
>>>MY opinions, not Longs Drug Stores'<<<
------------------------------
Date: Wed, 30 Sep 1998 14:42:02 -0400
From: John Zoltak <[log in to unmask]>
Subject: Re: Volume Set Memory Refresher
Donna,
This doesn't seem right. It seems to me that ALL groups have to be
created on the MPEXL_SYSTEM_VOLUME_SET. Only those groups that you want
on a private volume have to be created on the private volume with
NEWGROUP XYZ;ONVS=PRIVATE_VOLUME_SET and then do a ALTGROUP
XYZ;HOMEVS=PRIVATE_VOLUME_SET.
Isn't this the way it works?
John Zoltak
North American Mfg Co
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Donna Garverick [SMTP:[log in to unmask]]
> Sent: Wednesday, September 30, 1998 2:28 PM
> To: [log in to unmask]
> Subject: Re: [HP3000-L] Volume Set Memory Refresher
>
> Tracy Johnson wrote:
>
> > Does each group that you want on a different volume set require that
> a
> > duplicate group exist on the MPEXL_SYSTEM_VOLUME_SET for an account?
>
> not exactly sure what you're asking...but -- no
>
> > Or can the account survive with some groups not being on the
> > MPEXL_SYSTEM_VOLUME_SET at all?
>
> yes. this is 'normal' when using private volumes. for that matter
> not all the groups of an account have to 'live' on the same
> volume. i highly recommend connecting to jazz and picking
> up the new/purgeacct and new/purgegroup udc's. if you're
> working on a system with private volumes, they'll make your
> life a (greater? :-) joy. trust me :-) - d
>
> --
> Donna Garverick Sr. System Programmer
> 925-210-6631 [log in to unmask]
>
> >>>MY opinions, not Longs Drug Stores'<<<
------------------------------
Date: Wed, 30 Sep 1998 11:45:52 -0700
From: "Michael D. Hensley" <[log in to unmask]>
Subject: Line Editors: Results (or "All Rise for the Docs-ology")
Ted Ashton wrote:
> Yet, once that learning has been done, vi is incredibly fast
> and powerful as a program editor.
>
> Ted (who uses happily both vi and Qedit every day)
Ok, I haven't seen this re-re-re-posted in a while, so here it is:
Title : Addicted To Vi
Original : Addicted To Love
Group : Robert Palmer
Author : Chuck Musciano
Intro : After thinking about that poor wretch who has become
addicted to
vi,
I was inspired to compose the following ditty, sung to the
tune of
"Addicted To Love" by Robert Palmer.
As you sing this, it may help the effect to imagine a dozen
women,
all of whom resemble Bill Joy, dressed in black and dancing
sinuously.
Song :
Addicted To Vi
(with apologies to Robert Palmer)
You press the keys with no effect,
Your mode is not correct.
The screen blurs, your fingers shake;
You forgot to press escape.
Can't insert, can't delete,
Cursor keys won't repeat.
You try to quit, but can't leave,
An extra "bang" is all you need.
You think it's neat to type an "a" or an "i"--
Oh yeah?
You won't look at emacs, no you'd just rather die
You know you're gonna have to face it;
You're addicted to vi!
You edit files one at a time;
That doesn't seem too out of line?
You don't think of keys to bind--
A meta key would blow your mind.
H, J, K, L? You're not annoyed?
Expressions must be a Joy!
Just press "f", or is it "t"?
Maybe "n", or just "g"?
Oh--You think it's neat to type an "a" or an "i"--
Oh yeah?
You won't look at emacs, no you'd just rather die
You know you're gonna have to face it;
You're addicted to vi!
Might as well face it,
You're addicted to vi!
You press the keys without effect,
Your life is now a wreck.
What a waste! Such a shame!
And all you have is vi to blame.
Oh--You think it's neat to type an "a" or an "i"--
Oh yeah?
You won't look at emacs, no you'd just rather die
You know you're gonna have to face it;
You're addicted to vi!
Might as well face it,
You're addicted to vi!
---
Michael D. Hensley | mailto:[log in to unmask]
Allegro Consultants Inc. | Visit scenic http://www.allegro.com
408/252-2330 | "Support Bill of Rights Enforcement"
------------------------------
Date: Wed, 30 Sep 1998 14:45:42 EDT
From: Tom Madigan <[log in to unmask]>
Subject: Memory Refresher
Tracy:
Accounts and groups have to exist on both the system volume set AND the
non-system volume set. For example:
:NEWACCT someacct,manager;PASS=3D...;CAP=3D...;ACCESS=3D...;etc.
:NEWACCT someacct,manager;ONVS=3Dnon_system_set_name
(don't enter any other parameters such as ;PASS=3D ,etc.)
:NEWGROUP somegroup.someacct;CAP=3D...;ACCESS=3D...;etc.
:NEWGROUP somegroup.someacct;ONVS=3Dnon_system_set_name
(again, no other parameters)
Note that the :NEWUSER command does not have a corresponding entry for
th=
e
non-system volume set. MPE keeps the ENTIRE directory entry on the
syste=
m
volume set MPEXL_SYSTEM_VOLUME_SET. The second :NEWACCT and :NEWGROUP
commands create a more "skeleton" structure on the non-system volume set
itself.
Conversely, when it's time to blow away an account or group, you need to
delete it from BOTH the system volume set and the non-system volume set.
=46rom the School of Hard Knocks: avoid creating a SYS account and,
espe=
cially,
a PUB.SYS group on a non-system volume set. This has the tendency to
HOS=
E UP
your system and requires a time-consuming INSTALL to correct.
Hope this helps you out!!
Tom Madigan
BE-U-T-FUL SE Pennsylvania
____________________________________________________________________
More than just email--Get your FREE Netscape WebMail account today at
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------------------------------
Date: Wed, 30 Sep 1998 11:54:47 -0700
From: Mark Bixby <[log in to unmask]>
Subject: Re: Apache and posix question
Bob Walker writes:
>
> Two separate questions:
>
> 1) What's the accepted way of removing a person from an Apache
> password file? vi(or editor of your choice)?
Yes, you can use vi or any other bytestream file editor of your choice.
> 2) Has anybody found a way to get any type of redo capability in the
> posix shell? I have access to the bash shell on all our unix
> boxes(linux,sco,and DUX), Qedit has it's own, AQ and QUERY have MPEX
> hooks. Just the posix shell is left out in the cold.
Yes.
Go into sh.hpbin.sys and type "man fc" for the details.
--
Mark Bixby E-mail: [log in to unmask]
Coast Community College Dist. Web: http://www.cccd.edu/~markb/
District Information Services 1370 Adams Ave, Costa Mesa, CA, USA
92626-5429
Technical Support Voice: +1 714 438-4647
"You can tune a file system, but you can't tune a fish." - tunefs(1M)
------------------------------
Date: Wed, 30 Sep 1998 14:57:15 -0400
From: Joe Geiser <[log in to unmask]>
Subject: Where to find information on ADO, RDO, DAO, etc...
As a public service:
ADO, RDO, DAO -- all Microsoft Data Access methods which all have
either a
lot, or a little something to do with ODBC. These access methods may
or may
not work with some ODBC drivers for Allbase and Image/SQL or TurboIMAGE
direct access. Again, this is a public service, not a review.
Information on these technologies is FREE for the browsing (internet
access
charges may apply though). The point is that Microsoft does not charge
for
this information - the content is free.
ADO - ActiveX Data Objects, used mostly with Active Server Pages (ASP)
and
Internet Information Server, as well as with Visual Studio application
development for Internet applications:
http://www.microsoft.com/accessdev/articles/movs202.htm is a full
article on
ADO, its hierarchy and how it's used. Examples using Access and
SQL/Server
are both included. These can be taken over to the HP3000, of course.
DAO - Data Access Objects - the latest version is 3.5 (32 bit) is the
current release of data access within Visual Studio tools using ODBC.
RDO - Remote Data Objects - an extension to DAO for enterprise data
access.
Available only with the Enterprise Edition of Visual Studio (or it's
component tools).
Information on both can be found at:
http://msdn.microsoft.com/developer/enterprise/visualtools (you may
need to
register to see this content, but you can opt out of any mailings and so
forth).
Both of these sites, and many others, have virtually everything one
needs to
know on ODBC, how to use its various flavors, and how to make sense out
of
the alphabet soup.
Have fun surfing!
Best Regards,
Joe
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Date: Wed, 30 Sep 1998 15:00:52 -0400
From: "Calandra, Jack" <[log in to unmask]>
Subject: Making IMAGE data available to PCs
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I would like to throw something else into the mix. How would
native
mode KSAM files fit in. I have a third party payroll system that uses
NM
KSAM files as the database rather than IMAGE. We have been debating
which
is the best way for users to access payroll/HR data from this system for
both reporting and inquiry purposes. One school of thought is to create
a DW
by extracting data from the Payroll System using tools provided by the
vendor. The problem with this, for us at least, is that payroll data is
constantly being updated to the KSAM database through the third party
package and users want up to date info. So the DW concept, is not the
best
way to go for us.
My other thought is to use ODBC to connect directly with the
KSAM
database and create a client server front end with something like Visual
Basic. This way there would be dynamic access to the KSAM database and
the
users would be happy. There must be trade off's.
I would like to hear from some of you regarding your
experiences and
opinions.
By the way these KSAM files are very large, approaching the 4gig
limit and we run on a 3k 987sx. No problems with CPU utilization or
disk
space. This box hax 1.5 gig of memory so at this point the system is
quite
stable. But what would happen if I add an Image database for the DW.
Thanks in advance
Lets keep this thread going!
Jack Calandra
System Manager
AIG HRIS
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Date: Wed, 30 Sep 1998 12:56:05 -0600
From: Keven Miller <[log in to unmask]>
Subject: Re: Volume Set Memory Refresher
I look at it as commands with ;ONVS affect the directory on the UV.
NEWACCT, NEWGROUP, PURGEACCT, PURGEGROUP.
The commands need to be done to the system (default) directory as well
in order for the system
to see the user accounts/groups. All other attributes like password,
caps, security are only kept in
the system directory.
You can have accounts and groups on your UV with no access
because they don't exist
in your system directory. (Do a REPORT @.@;ONVS=xxxx). I found this by
moving a disk from system A
to system B. All files come across, just had to do NEWACCT,NEWGROUP for
system.
I guess the ;HOMEVS on NEW/ALT-GROUP command tells the system
dir where the storage is to be.
The only problem I have with this that both commands PURGEGROUP xxxx
and PURGEGROUP xxxx;ONVS=yyyy
purge all the files.
It would be nice if the PURGEGROUP xxxx only removed the system dir copy
with no actual file purging if HOMEVS
not equal to MPEXL_SYSTEM_VOLUME_SET. And only the PURGEGROUP
xxxx;ONVS=yyyy would do the file purging.
+=====================================
Keven Miller KC7LYD
[log in to unmask] (Salt Lake City, Utah, USA)
+=====================================
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Date: Wed, 30 Sep 1998 15:47:14 -0400
From: Joe Geiser <[log in to unmask]>
Subject: Test 2 CSILLC to UTC
Test to UTC from CSILLC
------------------------------
Date: Wed, 30 Sep 1998 15:58:38 -0400
From: Joe Geiser <[log in to unmask]>
Subject: Bidirectional Gateway Should Be working Now
Thanks to a couple of determined Microsoft Engineers in Virginia, it
looks
like the gateway is now bidirectional.
It may need a bit of tuning, but all posts to Usenet should now make it
to
the Listserv at UTC, and vice versa (which has always worked anyway).
So, let's give it a try, and if it is working, I owe a couple of
Microsofties a beer or two the next time I'm in Virginia :)
(I'll take a collection later from posters <g>)
Best Regards,
Joe
------------------------------
Date: Wed, 30 Sep 1998 14:13:54 -0600
From: Pat Sarkar <[log in to unmask]>
Subject: Indirect File Reference via File Equation
We want to find out the actual filename.group.acct of a file that's
refernecd through a file equation such as:
:FILE N=file1.group1.acct1
from within a Cobol program. The Cobol progarm knows only about a file
called N.
In this example, the file N can also be a TurboImage root file.
TIA.
Pat Sarkar
------------------------------
Date: Wed, 30 Sep 1998 13:05:08 -0700
From: Shawn Gordon <[log in to unmask]>
Subject: Re: Making IMAGE data available to PCs
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I have used both ODBC/32 and MiddleMan from MiniSoft to develop
client/server applications against both Image and KSAM files, and it
works
great - very fast, easy to code, etc. I would say that the only down
side
is that the documentation is a bit on the terse side, but it's a great
way
to go.
shawn
"Calandra, Jack" <[log in to unmask]> on 09/30/98 12:00:52 PM
Please respond to "Calandra, Jack" <[log in to unmask]>
To: [log in to unmask]
cc: (bcc: Shawn Gordon/IS/FHM/FHS)
Subject: Making IMAGE data available to PCs
I would like to throw something else into the mix. How would
native
mode KSAM files fit in. I have a third party payroll system that uses
NM
KSAM files as the database rather than IMAGE. We have been debating
which
is the best way for users to access payroll/HR data from this system for
both reporting and inquiry purposes. One school of thought is to create
a
DW
by extracting data from the Payroll System using tools provided by the
vendor. The problem with this, for us at least, is that payroll data is
constantly being updated to the KSAM database through the third party
package and users want up to date info. So the DW concept, is not the
best
way to go for us.
My other thought is to use ODBC to connect directly with the
KSAM
database and create a client server front end with something like Visual
Basic. This way there would be dynamic access to the KSAM database and
the
users would be happy. There must be trade off's.
I would like to hear from some of you regarding your experiences
and
opinions.
By the way these KSAM files are very large, approaching the 4gig
limit and we run on a 3k 987sx. No problems with CPU utilization or
disk
space. This box hax 1.5 gig of memory so at this point the system is
quite
stable. But what would happen if I add an Image database for the DW.
Thanks in advance
Lets keep this thread going!
Jack Calandra
System Manager
AIG HRIS
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<P> <FONT SIZE=2
FACE="Arial">I would like to throw something else into the mix.
How would native mode KSAM files fit in. I have a third party
payroll system that uses NM KSAM files as the database rather than
IMAGE. We have been debating which is the best way for users to
access payroll/HR data from this system for both reporting and inquiry
purposes. One school of thought is to create a DW by extracting data
from the Payroll System using tools provided by the vendor. The problem
with this, for us at least, is that payroll data is constantly being
updated to the KSAM database through the third party package and users
want up to date info. So the DW concept, is not the best
way to go for us. </FONT></P>
<P> <FONT SIZE=2
FACE="Arial">My other thought is to use ODBC to connect directly with
the KSAM database and create a client server front end with something
like Visual Basic. This way there would be dynamic access to the
KSAM database and the users would be happy. There must be trade
off's.</FONT></P>
<P> <FONT SIZE=2
FACE="Arial">I would like to hear from some of you regarding your
experiences and opinions.</FONT></P>
<P> <FONT SIZE=2
FACE="Arial">By the way these KSAM files are very large, approaching
the 4gig limit and we run on a 3k 987sx. No problems with CPU
utilization or disk space. This box hax 1.5 gig of memory so at
this point the system is quite stable. But what would happen if I
add an Image database for the DW.</FONT></P>
<P>
</P>
<P> <FONT SIZE=2
FACE="Arial">Thanks in advance</FONT>
</P>
<P> <FONT SIZE=2
FACE="Arial">Lets keep this thread going!</FONT>
</P>
<P> <FONT SIZE=2
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<BR> <FONT SIZE=2
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<BR> <FONT SIZE=2
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Date: Wed, 30 Sep 1998 16:11:44 -0400
From: Joe Geiser <[log in to unmask]>
Subject: Final Test - CSILLC to UTC
This is the final test. Two prior messages were recorded as sent
successfully to HP3000-L. For the time being, they will also be sent
to a
mailbox here as well, just to ensure that messages are flowing properly
(and
unchanged).
We'll be keeping an eye on this - "X" your fingers :)
Joe
------------------------------
Date: Wed, 30 Sep 1998 16:18:01 -0400
From: John Zoltak <[log in to unmask]>
Subject: Re: Indirect File Reference via File Equation
Pat,
If you mean that you've opened the file N, you could call FGETINFO and
it will return the real file name. If that's not what you mean and
you're talking about finding file equations for N then you'll have to do
a LISTEQ to a file, read and parse the file for the equation that you're
looking for.
Hope this helps
John Zoltak
North American Mfg Co
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Pat Sarkar [SMTP:[log in to unmask]]
> Sent: Wednesday, September 30, 1998 4:14 PM
> To: [log in to unmask]
> Subject: [HP3000-L] Indirect File Reference via File Equation
>
> We want to find out the actual filename.group.acct of a file that's
> refernecd through a file equation such as:
>
> :FILE N=file1.group1.acct1
>
> from within a Cobol program. The Cobol progarm knows only about a file
> called N.
>
> In this example, the file N can also be a TurboImage root file.
>
> TIA.
>
> Pat Sarkar
------------------------------
Date: Wed, 30 Sep 1998 13:20:11 -0700
From: Dirickson Steve <[log in to unmask]>
Subject: Re: Indirect File Reference via File Equation
<<We want to find out the actual filename.group.acct of a file
that's refernecd through a file equation such as:
:FILE N=file1.group1.acct1
from within a Cobol program. The Cobol progarm knows only about
a
file called N.>>
Execute :LISTEQ somefile programmatically and parse the output file.
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Date: Wed, 30 Sep 1998 13:34:00 -0700
From: Allen Cintron <[log in to unmask]>
Subject: Re: Making IMAGE data available to PCs <plug>
Another option is to use Quest's NetBase Client.
NetBase Client consists of complete Application Program Interfaces
(APIs)
that give UNIX, DOS, Windows, Windows NT and Windows 95 client/server
applications read and write access to data residing in MPE files, KSAM
files
and TurboIMAGE databases on HP 3000 computers. By using the NetBase
Client
APIs with Oracle, Informix, Sybase, COBOL, Microfocus, Excel, Visual
Basic,
PowerBuilder, or any of the other DOS/UNIX/Windows tools available,
your IS
staff can quickly implement applications that are tightly integrated
with
existing HP 3000 systems.
Optionally, You could use BridgeWare to post changes, as they occur,
from
the 3000 directly into an Oracle or SQL Server DW for access by your PC
clients.
Please let me know if you would like further information.
Allen Cintron
Quest Software
"Expect a Solution"
949-718-2454 direct
800-306-9329 X2454
-----Original Message-----
From: Shawn Gordon [mailto:[log in to unmask]]
Sent: Wednesday, September 30, 1998 1:05 PM
To: [log in to unmask]
Subject: Re: Making IMAGE data available to PCs
I have used both ODBC/32 and MiddleMan from MiniSoft to develop
client/server applications against both Image and KSAM files, and it
works
great - very fast, easy to code, etc. I would say that the only down
side
is that the documentation is a bit on the terse side, but it's a great
way
to go.
shawn
"Calandra, Jack" <[log in to unmask]> on 09/30/98 12:00:52 PM
Please respond to "Calandra, Jack" <[log in to unmask]>
To: [log in to unmask]
cc: (bcc: Shawn Gordon/IS/FHM/FHS)
Subject: Making IMAGE data available to PCs
I would like to throw something else into the mix. How would
native
mode KSAM files fit in. I have a third party payroll system that uses
NM
KSAM files as the database rather than IMAGE. We have been debating
which
is the best way for users to access payroll/HR data from this system for
both reporting and inquiry purposes. One school of thought is to create
a
DW
by extracting data from the Payroll System using tools provided by the
vendor. The problem with this, for us at least, is that payroll data is
constantly being updated to the KSAM database through the third party
package and users want up to date info. So the DW concept, is not the
best
way to go for us.
My other thought is to use ODBC to connect directly with the
KSAM
database and create a client server front end with something like Visual
Basic. This way there would be dynamic access to the KSAM database and
the
users would be happy. There must be trade off's.
I would like to hear from some of you regarding your experiences
and
opinions.
By the way these KSAM files are very large, approaching the 4gig
limit and we run on a 3k 987sx. No problems with CPU utilization or
disk
space. This box hax 1.5 gig of memory so at this point the system is
quite
stable. But what would happen if I add an Image database for the DW.
Thanks in advance
Lets keep this thread going!
Jack Calandra
System Manager
AIG HRIS
------------------------------
Date: Wed, 30 Sep 1998 13:27:08 -0700
From: Stan Sieler <[log in to unmask]>
Subject: Re: Volume Set Memory Refresher
Tracy asks:
> Does each group that you want on a different volume set require that a
> duplicate group exist on the MPEXL_SYSTEM_VOLUME_SET for an account?
Yes.
> Or can the account survive with some groups not being on the
> MPEXL_SYSTEM_VOLUME_SET at all?
Yes.
Sounds like a contradiction, eh?
To *access* the files in a group whose "HOMEVS" is something other
than MPEXL_SYSTEM_VOLUME_SET, there must be an account and group
entry on MPEXL_SYSTEM_VOLUME_SET *and* on the user volume set.
Further, the group entry on MPEXL_SYSTEM_VOLUME_SET must have
a HOMEVS to the user volume set.
That said, what happens if you now do a PURGEGROUP of the group
from MPEXL_SYSTEM_VOLUME_SET (i.e., you do a PURGEGROUP without
specifying ONVS=uservolumeset)?
The group entry is removed from MPEXL_SYSTEM_VOLUME_SET, but
nothing happens to the files on the user volume set (or to the
group's definition on the user volume set). However, you can't
access the files until you build a new group (same group name,
same account name) on MPEXL_SYSTEM_VOLUME_SET, and HOMEVS it to
the user volume set. Then, the files appear "like magic".
Note: doing a simple PURGEGROUP (with no "ONVS=") to a group
that has a HOMEVS=uservolumeset (and the volume set is
mounted) will do two things:
1) purge files from B on uservolumeset;
2) remove B from the account directory on MPEXL_SYSTEM_VOLUME_SET
(i.e., the group is still in the account directory on
the user volume set!)
(If the user volume set wasn't mounted, only step 2 happens!)
So, the proper way to completely remove a group on a volume set is:
:purgegroup B; onvs=<user volume set>
:purgegroup B
BTW, I'd appreciate it if you *NEVER* include the following
phrases in the name of a volume set: "VOLUME" or "SET".
Thus, "TEST" is a heck of a lot better then "TESTVOLUMESET"
or "TEST_VOLUME_SET"!
--
Stan Sieler [log in to unmask]
http://www.allegro.com/sieler.html
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Date: Wed, 30 Sep 1998 13:30:59 -0700
From: Stan Sieler <[log in to unmask]>
Subject: Re: Indirect File Reference via File Equation
Pat asks:
> We want to find out the actual filename.group.acct of a file that's
> refernecd through a file equation such as:
>
> :FILE N=file1.group1.acct1
>
> from within a Cobol program. The Cobol progarm knows only about a file
> called N.
If it isn't opened yet, use FLABELINFO with mode = 1, and
at whatever item numbers you want to get the file name (hint:
items 1, 2, and 3 for MPE format names, or item 38 for HFS format name).
This will return an error if the is no file equation.
So, if no error results, you know a file equate existed and you
have the final file name (depending upon the items you requested).
And, search the comp.sys.hp.mpe archive (or HP3000-L) ... this has been
covered in the last 6 months or so, possibly including COBOL
examples?
--
Stan Sieler [log in to unmask]
http://www.allegro.com/sieler.html
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Date: Wed, 30 Sep 1998 13:39:28 -0700
From: Jeff Vance <[log in to unmask]>
Subject: Re: Indirect File Reference via File Equation
On Sep 30, 2:13pm, Pat Sarkar wrote:
> We want to find out the actual filename.group.acct of a file that's
> referenced through a file equation such as:
...
In the CI you can do:
:file n=ci.pub.sys
:calc finfo('*n','fullfname')
CI.PUB.SYS
Jeff Vance, CSY
--
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Date: Wed, 30 Sep 1998 13:54:47 -0700
From: Glenn Cole <[log in to unmask]>
Subject: Re: Volume Set Memory Refresher
Stan writes:
> That said, what happens if you now do a PURGEGROUP of the group
> from MPEXL_SYSTEM_VOLUME_SET (i.e., you do a PURGEGROUP without
> specifying ONVS=uservolumeset)?
>
> The group entry is removed from MPEXL_SYSTEM_VOLUME_SET, but
> nothing happens to the files on the user volume set
[snip]
> Note: doing a simple PURGEGROUP (with no "ONVS=") to a group
> that has a HOMEVS=uservolumeset (and the volume set is
> mounted) will do two things:
>
> 1) purge files from B on uservolumeset;
Huh?
Does the first scenario imply the group is homed to <long_name> ?
Otherwise, the preconditions appear identical, but are described
with different effects.
(Heck, my writing isn't any more clear.) :(
--Glenn
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Date: Wed, 30 Sep 1998 20:30:08 GMT
From: [log in to unmask]
Subject: DejaNews to UTC via Gateway
Test from outside CSILLC
Through CSILLC Gateway
SMTP to UTC
-----------== Posted via Deja News, The Discussion Network ==----------
http://www.dejanews.com/ Search, Read, Discuss, or Start Your Own
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Date: Wed, 30 Sep 1998 13:59:37 -0700
From: Glenn Cole <[log in to unmask]>
Subject: Re: Indirect File Reference via File Equation
On Sep 30, 2:13pm, Pat Sarkar wrote:
> We want to find out the actual filename.group.acct of a file that's
> referenced through a file equation such as:
...
then Jeff Vance:
> In the CI you can do:
> :file n=ci.pub.sys
> :calc finfo('*n','fullfname')
> CI.PUB.SYS
Note that for this to work, the "pointed-to" file must exist.
--Glenn
------------------------------
Date: Wed, 30 Sep 1998 13:57:18 -0700
From: Donna Garverick <[log in to unmask]>
Subject: Re: Volume Set Memory Refresher
John Zoltak (and others) (more or less) wrote:
> This doesn't seem right. It seems to me that ALL groups have to be
> created on the MPEXL_SYSTEM_VOLUME_SET. Only those groups that you
want
> on a private volume have to be created on the private volume with
> NEWGROUP XYZ;ONVS=PRIVATE_VOLUME_SET and then do a ALTGROUP
> XYZ;HOMEVS=PRIVATE_VOLUME_SET.
ok ok -- having exposed my ignorance :-) yes, the entry *does*
reside on the system volume set. but from a practical point of
view, you're not aware of that. physically, any files made/purged
do a group homed to a private volume is going to be live/die
on the discs assigned to the private volume. - d
--
Donna Garverick Sr. System Programmer
925-210-6631 [log in to unmask]
>>>MY opinions, not Longs Drug Stores'<<<
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Date: Wed, 30 Sep 1998 14:10:59 -0700
From: Stan Sieler <[log in to unmask]>
Subject: Re: Volume Set Memory Refresher
Glenn asks:
> Stan writes:
>
> > That said, what happens if you now do a PURGEGROUP of the group
> > from MPEXL_SYSTEM_VOLUME_SET (i.e., you do a PURGEGROUP without
> > specifying ONVS=uservolumeset)?
> >
> > The group entry is removed from MPEXL_SYSTEM_VOLUME_SET, but
> > nothing happens to the files on the user volume set
Ah...I see the confusion. I wrote the above based on my
recollection of how things work. I then tested it, realized
things were different and wrote the following (where the
"> >" lines are below) ... *without* remembering
to go back and update the above. In the above, strike the
text:
", but nothing happens to the files on the user volume set"
and replace it with:
If the user volume set is mounted, the files are purged from
the group;
if the user volume set is not mounted, no files are purged
(nor are any purged when the volume set is mounted later);
Regardless of the above, the group entry is removed from the
account's list of groups on MPEXL_SYSTEM_VOLUME_SET.
> > Note: doing a simple PURGEGROUP (with no "ONVS=") to a group
> > that has a HOMEVS=uservolumeset (and the volume set is
> > mounted) will do two things:
> >
> > 1) purge files from B on uservolumeset;
>
> Huh?
>
> Does the first scenario imply the group is homed to <long_name> ?
As stated above, the "purge files from B on volumeset" happens
because B has HOMEVS=uservolumeset *and* the uservolumeset is mounted.
(I'm avoiding using "<long_name>" because I don't know if you mean
uservolumeset or MPEXL_SYSTEM_VOLUME_SET)
Sorry for the mistake and confusion it caused!
--
Stan Sieler [log in to unmask]
http://www.allegro.com/sieler.html
------------------------------
Date: Wed, 30 Sep 1998 10:39:12 -0600
From: Ron Tilby <[log in to unmask]>
Subject: DBUTIL ERASE corrupts db
After we upgraded from MPE/ix 5.5 PowerPatch 4 to 5.5 PowerPatch 5,
we started having problems with loading a database that gets
ERASED using DBUTIL version C.07.04
HP has confirmed that there is a problem using DBUTIL to ERASE=20
databases.
I thought I'd mention it here, since it hasn't shown up on the HP ESC =
yet.
------------------------------
Date: Wed, 30 Sep 1998 13:26:58 -0400
From: Jim Phillips <[log in to unmask]>
Subject: OFF TOPIC: Copying Files To Diskett
Thanks to all who responded to my message. I received more help than=20
I wanted! :-)
I can't believe that MS did not include a way within standard WIN95=20
to copy large files across multiple floppy diskettes. I wanted to=20
use WIN95 because that is what the end-user is familiar with. I
can't=20
go to their site (remote from us) and install any software, and I=20
don't know if MS Backup is installed on the machine or if the
end-user=20
knows how to use it.
What the end-user wanted to do was to make copies of some files as of=20
fiscal year end (9/30/1998) so they could refer to them later if need=20
be. I told them to either back the files up to the internal tape=20
drive (using CMS backup software) or to make a new folder (didn't=20
folders use to be directories?) called FY1998 and copy the files=20
to there or both.
Anyway, thanks to all who responded.
Jim Phillips Manager of Information Systems
Voice: (330) 527-2124 Therm-O-Link, Inc.
Fax: (330) 527-2123 PO Box 285; 10513 Freedom St.
Email: [log in to unmask] Garrettsville, Ohio 44231
------------------------------
Date: Wed, 30 Sep 1998 14:45:42 EDT
From: Tom Madigan <[log in to unmask]>
Subject: Memory Refresher
Tracy:
Accounts and groups have to exist on both the system volume set AND the
non-system volume set. For example:
:NEWACCT someacct,manager;PASS=3D...;CAP=3D...;ACCESS=3D...;etc.
:NEWACCT someacct,manager;ONVS=3Dnon_system_set_name
(don't enter any other parameters such as ;PASS=3D ,etc.)
:NEWGROUP somegroup.someacct;CAP=3D...;ACCESS=3D...;etc.
:NEWGROUP somegroup.someacct;ONVS=3Dnon_system_set_name
(again, no other parameters)
Note that the :NEWUSER command does not have a corresponding entry for =
the
non-system volume set. MPE keeps the ENTIRE directory entry on the =
system
volume set MPEXL_SYSTEM_VOLUME_SET. The second :NEWACCT and :NEWGROUP
commands create a more "skeleton" structure on the non-system volume =
set
itself.
Conversely, when it's time to blow away an account or group, you need =
to
delete it from BOTH the system volume set and the non-system volume =
set.
From the School of Hard Knocks: avoid creating a SYS account and, =
especially,
a PUB.SYS group on a non-system volume set. This has the tendency to =
HOSE UP
your system and requires a time-consuming INSTALL to correct.
Hope this helps you out!!
Tom Madigan
BE-U-T-FUL SE Pennsylvania
____________________________________________________________________
More than just email--Get your FREE Netscape WebMail account today at =
http://home.netscape.com/netcenter/mail
------------------------------
Date: Wed, 30 Sep 1998 15:00:52 -0400
From: "Calandra, Jack" <[log in to unmask]>
Subject: Making IMAGE data available to PCs
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I would like to throw something else into the mix. How would
native mode KSAM files fit in. I have a third party payroll system that
uses NM KSAM files as the database rather than IMAGE. We have been
debating which is the best way for users to access payroll/HR data from
this system for both reporting and inquiry purposes. One school of
thought is to create a DW by extracting data from the Payroll System
using tools provided by the vendor. The problem with this, for us at
least, is that payroll data is constantly being updated to the KSAM
database through the third party package and users want up to date info.
So the DW concept, is not the best way to go for us.
My other thought is to use ODBC to connect directly with the
KSAM database and create a client server front end with something like
Visual Basic. This way there would be dynamic access to the KSAM
database and the users would be happy. There must be trade off's.
I would like to hear from some of you regarding your experiences
and opinions.
By the way these KSAM files are very large, approaching the 4gig
limit and we run on a 3k 987sx. No problems with CPU utilization or
disk space. This box hax 1.5 gig of memory so at this point the system
is quite stable. But what would happen if I add an Image database for
the DW.
Thanks in advance
Lets keep this thread going!
Jack Calandra
System Manager
AIG HRIS
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Date: Wed, 30 Sep 1998 13:05:08 -0700
From: Shawn Gordon <[log in to unmask]>
Subject: Re: Making IMAGE data available to PCs
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I have used both ODBC/32 and MiddleMan from MiniSoft to develop
client/server applications against both Image and KSAM files, and it
works
great - very fast, easy to code, etc. I would say that the only down
side
is that the documentation is a bit on the terse side, but it's a great
way
to go.
shawn
"Calandra, Jack" <[log in to unmask]> on 09/30/98 12:00:52 PM
Please respond to "Calandra, Jack" <[log in to unmask]>
To: [log in to unmask]
cc: (bcc: Shawn Gordon/IS/FHM/FHS)
Subject: Making IMAGE data available to PCs
I would like to throw something else into the mix. How would
native
mode KSAM files fit in. I have a third party payroll system that uses
NM
KSAM files as the database rather than IMAGE. We have been debating
which
is the best way for users to access payroll/HR data from this system for
both reporting and inquiry purposes. One school of thought is to create
a
DW
by extracting data from the Payroll System using tools provided by the
vendor. The problem with this, for us at least, is that payroll data is
constantly being updated to the KSAM database through the third party
package and users want up to date info. So the DW concept, is not the
best
way to go for us.
My other thought is to use ODBC to connect directly with the
KSAM
database and create a client server front end with something like Visual
Basic. This way there would be dynamic access to the KSAM database and
the
users would be happy. There must be trade off's.
I would like to hear from some of you regarding your experiences
and
opinions.
By the way these KSAM files are very large, approaching the 4gig
limit and we run on a 3k 987sx. No problems with CPU utilization or
disk
space. This box hax 1.5 gig of memory so at this point the system is
quite
stable. But what would happen if I add an Image database for the DW.
Thanks in advance
Lets keep this thread going!
Jack Calandra
System Manager
AIG HRIS
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How would native mode KSAM files fit in. I have a third party
payroll system that uses NM KSAM files as the database rather than
IMAGE. We have been debating which is the best way for users to
access payroll/HR data from this system for both reporting and inquiry
purposes. One school of thought is to create a DW by extracting data
from the Payroll System using tools provided by the vendor. The problem
with this, for us at least, is that payroll data is constantly being
updated to the KSAM database through the third party package and users
want up to date info. So the DW concept, is not the best
way to go for us. </FONT></P>
<P> <FONT SIZE=2
FACE="Arial">My other thought is to use ODBC to connect directly with
the KSAM database and create a client server front end with something
like Visual Basic. This way there would be dynamic access to the
KSAM database and the users would be happy. There must be trade
off's.</FONT></P>
<P> <FONT SIZE=2
FACE="Arial">I would like to hear from some of you regarding your
experiences and opinions.</FONT></P>
<P> <FONT SIZE=2
FACE="Arial">By the way these KSAM files are very large, approaching
the 4gig limit and we run on a 3k 987sx. No problems with CPU
utilization or disk space. This box hax 1.5 gig of memory so at
this point the system is quite stable. But what would happen if I
add an Image database for the DW.</FONT></P>
<P>
</P>
<P> <FONT SIZE=2
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</P>
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Date: Wed, 30 Sep 1998 14:58:06 -0700
From: Allen Cintron <[log in to unmask]>
Subject: Applied Materials - contact information needed
I received a voice message from someone at Applied Materials requesting
information on Quest's BridgeWare product.=A0=A0 Unfortunately, the =
name was cut
off and there was no phone number.=A0 Would the person requesting this
information please call me back or E-Mail with your phone number so I =
can
get you the requested information?
=A0
Thanks,
=A0
Allen Cintron
Quest Software
"Expect a Solution"
949-718-2454 direct
800-306-9329 X2454
------------------------------
Date: Wed, 30 Sep 1998 18:29:45 EDT
From: Wirt Atmar <[log in to unmask]>
Subject: Re: DejaNews to UTC via Gateway
Joe Geiser writes:
> Test from outside CSILLC
> Through CSILLC Gateway
> SMTP to UTC
It looks like Joe is getting closer to getting the gateway between the
list
and the newsgroup working. I can tell -- not because of Joe's test
messages --
but because I'm beginning to see double postings again :-).
Wirt Atmar
------------------------------
Date: Wed, 30 Sep 1998 18:57:31 -0400
From: Joe Geiser <[log in to unmask]>
Subject: Re: listserv oops?
Stan asked privately, and I'll reply publically,
> The last 3 posts I did to HP3000-L (via the list server)
> have:
>
> 1) gotten through;
>
> but also:
>
> 2) generated an eventual message from raven saying "attempt to
> post duplicate message".
>
> Could this be because my message goes to listserv, and then to
> the news group, and then (incorrectly) back to listserv?
Yup... I now have to put some filters in place to keep this
from happening. Now that we are really bidirectional now, we
have to ensure that we're not remailing like crazy.
This should be fixed this evening (Eastern Time).
Joe
------------------------------
Date: Wed, 30 Sep 1998 18:57:28 EDT
From: [log in to unmask]
Subject: Re: DBUTIL ERASE corrupts db
Aha! Maybe that's the problem I ran into this past weekend!
I have encountered four badly corrupted data bases, all of which
had just been ERASEd with DBUTIL. At least three of them were
corrupted when TurboStore true on-line backup had kicked in but
the tapes were not mounted. No one was there to see the console
message, and then three scheduled jobs ran which ERASEd the
three data bases and tried to re-load them with new data.
We plan to run controlled tests to establish whether there is a
connection between the on-line TurboStore and the DBUTIL ERASE.
These two HP3000s are on PowerPatch 4, not 5. The change that
took place just before this problem surfaced was that some datacomm
patches were applied to both systems. The patches were to fix a
problem which had caused five system halts in a week.
Cecile Chi
------------------------------
Date: Wed, 30 Sep 1998 17:26:07 -0600
From: Keven Miller <[log in to unmask]>
Subject: Re: Volume Set Memory Refresher
Thanks Stan. Here are some test results!
I created a group KEV on a UV, place files therein.
VSCLOSE UV.
purgegroup KEV
VSOPEN UV
REPORT [log in to unmask] shows no group KEV
NEWGROUP KEV.acct
BUILD A.KEV.acct
REPORT [log in to unmask] shows KEV as local to system, not on UV.
ALTGROUP KEV.acct;HOMEVS=UV
error in use.
PURGE A.KEV.acct
ALTGROUP KEV.acct;HOMEVS=UV
LISTF @.KEV.acct,2 and all files are restored!
+=====================================
Keven Miller KC7LYD
[log in to unmask] (Salt Lake City, Utah, USA)
+=====================================
------------------------------
Date: Wed, 30 Sep 1998 19:55:03 -0400
From: Joe Geiser <[log in to unmask]>
Subject: Mail Test (Ignore) Duplicate Testing
This MAIL message should cross over to comp.sys.hp.mpe, but should not
be
mailed back to HP3000-L.
------------------------------
Date: Wed, 30 Sep 1998 17:01:32 -0700
From: Tim Ericson <[log in to unmask]>
Subject: OFF TOPIC: Non-competition agreements
Hello everyone,
I need advice.
I've been here (DenKor/Willamette Dental Group) for over 6 years,
and have just been presented with a non-competetion contract that
management would like me to sign (I already signed a non-disclosure
agreement when I first started.) A lot of it is what I consider
typical, common-sense professional-ethics clauses: I won't take
any software with me; I won't work for a competitor while I'm
employed here (conflict of interest); I won't do anything to take
any patients from the company or cause the company any financial
harm; anything I write is property of the company; etc. No problem.
The one clause I am having a major problem with is the one that
says I won't work for any competitor, or anyone that has any
interest in any competitor, or anyone with any ties with any
competitor in any way for a period of 2 years after ending
employment with the company (and so far I have not signed this
contract because of this clause.)
My primary beef is that it is *possible* that a competitor would
offer me a position *because* of my experience here, at a price
I couldn't refuse (not likely, but possible.) I want to be able
to accept such a position with a clear conscience, and signing a
contract with that clause would, I think, limit my viability as a
prospective employee.
I have no problem with the "don't steal any software" or "don't
do anything that would hurt the company" ideas that are behind
this contract, and am searching for a compromise that would let
me keep my "viability" and let the company "protect" themselves.
I guess my questions are: Has anyone else encountered this type
of contract? What did you do? How do you feel about it?
One idea I've had so far is to become a contract employee, like
many of the dentists are, with an agreed-upon starting salary,
annual percentage increases, bonuses, benefits, and some sort of
termination clause. With this security, I think I'd be okay with
the aforementioned aggravating clause.
Anyone?
+-------------------------------------------------------------------+
My mind is my own, as are my ideas and opinions.
My heart, body, and soul, however, all belong to others. Tim.
+-------------------------------------------------------------------+
Tim Ericson tericson DenKor Dental Management Corp.
Sr. Systems Analyst at denkor 503-526-4440 (my direct number)
(& Systems Manager) dot com http://www.denkor.com
Programming HP3000s since 1983! Quality dental care since 1970!
+-------------------------------------------------------------------+
UDCs and Command Files: http://www.denkor.com/hp3000/command_files
+-------------------------------------------------------------------+
------------------------------
Date: Wed, 30 Sep 1998 16:40:18 -0700
From: Steve Widmar <[log in to unmask]>
Subject: DDS3 <-> DDS2
Oh wise and depthful vat of HP3000 (& -related) knowledge:
Rumour (am I british? I mean 'rumor') has it that DDS3 drives can read
DDS2
tapes and if a DDS2 tape is in the drive when a DDS3 drive is writing
to that
drive, the DDS2 tape can then be read by some other DDS2 drive.
All of this with no software or hardware config, just using the correct
tape.
Truth?
TIA,
Steve
------------------------------
Date: Wed, 30 Sep 1998 20:23:44 -0400
From: Joe Geiser <[log in to unmask]>
Subject: Re: OFF TOPIC: Non-competition agreements
Tim (and everyone else)
> I've been here (DenKor/Willamette Dental Group) for over 6 years,
> and have just been presented with a non-competetion contract that
> management would like me to sign (I already signed a non-disclosure
> agreement when I first started.) A lot of it is what I consider
> typical, common-sense professional-ethics clauses: I won't take
> any software with me; I won't work for a competitor while I'm
> employed here (conflict of interest); I won't do anything to take
> any patients from the company or cause the company any financial
> harm; anything I write is property of the company; etc. No problem.
The non-disclosure is typical --- a non-compete is usually presented if
you
work for a vendor, and even then, unenforceable unless you utilize trade
secrets from your former employer without their knowledge or consent.
> The one clause I am having a major problem with is the one that
> says I won't work for any competitor, or anyone that has any
> interest in any competitor, or anyone with any ties with any
> competitor in any way for a period of 2 years after ending
> employment with the company (and so far I have not signed this
> contract because of this clause.)
I would have a problem with that too. Here in BSEPA, that's illegal!
No
employer can force you into such an agreement, unless this was presented
when you were hired. If you had no knowledge about this when you were
hired, you should be legally able to tell them "no, I won't sign this
agreement unless this clause is struck".
I would tell them what parts you don't have a problem with, and tell
them
that you will not be restricted as to whom you would work for, and that
the
other clauses cover items such as trade secrets and such.
Nope - I wouldn't sign it at all. If they give you grief, you may want
to
run it by an attorney. Heck, you may want to run it by one first
anyway.
Good luck!
Best Regards,
Joe
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Date: Wed, 30 Sep 1998 17:27:48 -0700
From: Dirickson Steve <[log in to unmask]>
Subject: Re: OFF TOPIC: Non-competition agreements
<<The one clause I am having a major problem with is the one
that
says I won't work for any competitor, or anyone that has any interest
in any
competitor, or anyone with any ties with any competitor in any way for a
period of 2 years after ending employment with the company (and so far I
have not signed this contract because of this clause.)>>
Too long, and way too broad; have an attorney you trust review this
agreement ASAP. In most states, a non-compete agreement can't deprive
you of
the opportunity to earn a living, and an agreement this broad in scope
can
easily do so. Also, the typical non-compete period is six months to a
year.
You'll actually be doing your company a favor; if they're going around
having a lot of people sign invalid non-compete agreements, they're
building
up a tremendous litigation exposure.
Steve
------------------------------
Date: Wed, 30 Sep 1998 19:30:01 -0500
From: Jeff Woods <[log in to unmask]>
Subject: Re: DDS3 <-> DDS2
Hi, Steve.
At 04:40 PM 9/30/98 -0700, Steve Widmar wrote:
>Rumour (am I british? I mean 'rumor') has it that DDS3 drives can read
DDS2
>tapes and if a DDS2 tape is in the drive when a DDS3 drive is writing
to that
>drive, the DDS2 tape can then be read by some other DDS2 drive.
>
>All of this with no software or hardware config, just using the
correct tape.
>
>Truth?
That's the plan.
Here's the general facts, though some drive and media vendors might have
exceptions to this, the DDS standards claim these features:
All DDS media (except DAT and early DDS-1 tapes without MRS, "Media
Recognition System") has a method of informing the tape drive what type
of
DDS media it is, that is whether it's DDS-1, DDS-2, DDS-3 or whatever.
The
DDS-2 and higher drives use the lower density recording modes
automatically
when writing to lower density media. The only exception is that DDS-DC
drives (DDS-1 plus firmware data compression) write only to DDS-1 media
but
normally compress the data which can then only be read back on a DDS-DC
or
DDS-2 or later drive. (Only the early pre-DDS-DC drives didn't support
data compression.)
So the bottom line is that (with the exception of data compression
support
on early DDS-1 drives) any DDS media (with MRS, as all DDS-2 media and
above require) should be readable on any DDS drive which supports that
media format even when the media was written on with a higher capability
drive. In other words, any DDS-2 drive should be able to read any DDS-2
tape regardless of what kind of drive wrote on it. The DDS-3 drive
should
fall back to write in DDS-2 format in that case.
--
Jeff Woods
[log in to unmask] [PGP key available here via finger]
------------------------------
Date: Wed, 30 Sep 1998 18:24:59 -0700
From: John Saylor <[log in to unmask]>
Subject: Re: NFS/iX for mpe?
Thank you for your response!
I will be monitoring the requests for performing the NFS functions from
the
MPE prompt and will advise at a later date the results of customers
and/or
prospects interested in these enhancements. Quest is in the process of
updating the literature and the web-page so this will be addressed in
the
near future to reflect a POSiX prompt.
Thanks again for pointing this out.
John Saylor
Quest Software
-----Original Message-----
From: P Shugart [mailto:[log in to unmask]]
Sent: Wednesday, September 30, 1998 7:01 AM
To: [log in to unmask]; [log in to unmask]
Subject: NFS/iX for mpe?
John,
Now this is the type of response I like to see from a vendor!
It's not so much that I want the product changed. What irritated me was
the
implication (in the literature *and* the support line) that you could
perform
NFS functions while at the MPE prompt.
I suppose the advantages to "MPEing" NFS are:
1) Easier to use
2) Error checking/handling would be simplified.
I believe we still would have purchased the product even if the
documentation
stated "Posix only."
Pat Shugart
Oaksoft Consulting, Inc.
(540) 882-3749
================
John Saylor <[log in to unmask]> wrote...
In response to the recent chat on NFS from the MPE prompt. How many of
you
there would like to see this enhancement to the product? Also please
state
why
you think it will add value to the product. Anything else, suggestions
or
otherwise we would love to hear from you.
We will consider this enhancement in our next development meeting.
Until now
we have several hundred existing customers that have not raised this as
a
concern. If there are those of you out there not willing to purchase
due to
this lack of functionality we will be happy to incorporate this change.
John Saylor
U.S. MPE Sales Manager
-----Original Message-----
From: P Shugart [mailto:[log in to unmask]]
Sent: Wednesday, September 23, 1998 1:36 PM
To: [log in to unmask]
Subject: nfs for mpe?
Donna,
Just a word of advice/warning. You can't use NFS from the MPE prompt
(unless the product has drastically changed in the last 12 months).
/snip/
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Date: Wed, 30 Sep 1998 21:43:18 -0400
From: Joe Geiser <[log in to unmask]>
Subject: Post Test 2 (Rule 2F in place)
XXX
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Date: Wed, 30 Sep 1998 21:50:40 -0400
From: Joe Geiser <[log in to unmask]>
Subject: Post Test 2 (Rule 2F in place)
Alter rule (negate incoming)
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Date: Wed, 30 Sep 1998 22:05:02 -0400
From: Jim Phillips <[log in to unmask]>
Subject: OFF TOPIC: Non-competition agreements
Way back when I first started in computers, I worked for a systems =
consulting (data processing services) firm. Their non-compete =
clause was as follows (from memory):
For a period of five years after leaving their employ, I could not =
work for any client of theirs that I had personally performed =
services at within the last two years.
Yeah, I signed it (hey, I needed the job!). As for enforceability, =
the successfully litigated this clause a number of times.
However, today, I would *never* sign a non-compete as inclusive or =
lengthy (time-wise) as this one, nor yours.
On another note, a friend of mine works for OfficeMax, and they =
are installing SAP R3. In order to be considered for the project =
team and receive the SAP training, my friend had to sign an =
agreement that he would not terminate his employment for the =
next "n" years, presumably to "protect" OfficeMax's "investment" =
in the training and the project. I don't know what happens if =
they decide to terminate his employment.
Jim Phillips Manager of Information Systems
Voice: (330) 527-2124 Therm-O-Link, Inc.
Fax: (330) 527-2123 PO Box 285; 10513 Freedom St.
Email: [log in to unmask] Garrettsville, Ohio 44231
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Date: Thu, 1 Oct 1998 05:06:53 +0200
From: Neil Harvey <[log in to unmask]>
Subject: Re: OFF TOPIC: Non-competition agreements
Alternatively, since you are being asked to sign a "Restraint of Trade"
agreement, put a price on it, and ask for compensation in return.
Neil
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Tim Ericson [SMTP:[log in to unmask]]
> Sent: Thursday, October 01, 1998 2:02 AM
> To: [log in to unmask]
> Subject: OFF TOPIC: Non-competition agreements
>
> Hello everyone,
>
> I need advice.
>
> I've been here (DenKor/Willamette Dental Group) for over 6 years,
> and have just been presented with a non-competetion contract that
> management would like me to sign (I already signed a non-disclosure
> agreement when I first started.) A lot of it is what I consider
> typical, common-sense professional-ethics clauses: I won't take
> any software with me; I won't work for a competitor while I'm
> employed here (conflict of interest); I won't do anything to take
> any patients from the company or cause the company any financial
> harm; anything I write is property of the company; etc. No problem.
>
> The one clause I am having a major problem with is the one that
> says I won't work for any competitor, or anyone that has any
> interest in any competitor, or anyone with any ties with any
> competitor in any way for a period of 2 years after ending
> employment with the company (and so far I have not signed this
> contract because of this clause.)
>
> My primary beef is that it is *possible* that a competitor would
> offer me a position *because* of my experience here, at a price
> I couldn't refuse (not likely, but possible.) I want to be able
> to accept such a position with a clear conscience, and signing a
> contract with that clause would, I think, limit my viability as a
> prospective employee.
>
> I have no problem with the "don't steal any software" or "don't
> do anything that would hurt the company" ideas that are behind
> this contract, and am searching for a compromise that would let
> me keep my "viability" and let the company "protect" themselves.
>
> I guess my questions are: Has anyone else encountered this type
> of contract? What did you do? How do you feel about it?
>
> One idea I've had so far is to become a contract employee, like
> many of the dentists are, with an agreed-upon starting salary,
> annual percentage increases, bonuses, benefits, and some sort of
> termination clause. With this security, I think I'd be okay with
> the aforementioned aggravating clause.
>
> Anyone?
>
> +-------------------------------------------------------------------+
> My mind is my own, as are my ideas and opinions.
> My heart, body, and soul, however, all belong to others. Tim.
> +-------------------------------------------------------------------+
> Tim Ericson tericson DenKor Dental Management Corp.
> Sr. Systems Analyst at denkor 503-526-4440 (my direct number)
> (& Systems Manager) dot com http://www.denkor.com
> Programming HP3000s since 1983! Quality dental care since 1970!
> +-------------------------------------------------------------------+
> UDCs and Command Files: http://www.denkor.com/hp3000/command_files
> +-------------------------------------------------------------------+
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Date: Thu, 1 Oct 1998 05:08:15 +0200
From: Neil Harvey <[log in to unmask]>
Subject: Re: DDS3 <-> DDS2
True.
Also, with the right switch settings, DDS3 drives (and DDS2 drives) can
read and write DDS1 DAT's.
Neil
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Steve Widmar [SMTP:[log in to unmask]]
> Sent: Thursday, October 01, 1998 1:40 AM
> To: [log in to unmask]
> Subject: DDS3 <-> DDS2
>
> Oh wise and depthful vat of HP3000 (& -related) knowledge:
>
> Rumour (am I british? I mean 'rumor') has it that DDS3 drives can read
> DDS2
> tapes and if a DDS2 tape is in the drive when a DDS3 drive is writing
> to that
> drive, the DDS2 tape can then be read by some other DDS2 drive.
>
> All of this with no software or hardware config, just using the
> correct tape.
>
> Truth?
>
> TIA,
> Steve
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