We still have an old 3000-37 with a 9144 tape. We also have a 6250 bpi
tape drive which we can connect to the 3000-37 and to a newer HP917.

We could offer you the following solution:

1) On 3000-37: 9144 tape (IMAGE Store tape)  --- (storcopy)---> 6250
tape

2) On 3000/917: 6250 store tape --- (restore) --> Image database on disk

3) On 3000/917: Image database --(Suprtool/Robelle)--> flatfiles, one
per dataset

4) Flatfiles over LAN to HP-UX, compress, tar  --> 4mm DDS backup tape
or
transfer by ftp to your site (if no too big).

Please contact me if interested. Tell me the size of the database
(total MB and number of datasets, or do a form command inside Query).

Kurt

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> -----Original Message-----
> From: Roy Brown [SMTP:[log in to unmask]]
> Sent: Mittwoch, 27. Mai 1998 11:37
> To:   [log in to unmask]
> Subject:      Re: Very old HP 3000
>
> In article <[log in to unmask]>, Richard Dagenais
> <[log in to unmask]> writes
> >I have previously posted a similar question to other comp.sys.hp
> >newsgroups.
> >
> >We have a 15 year old HP 3000-37. It has two disk packs and a 9144
> tape
> >drive. The operating system is MPE 3.?. We were running an image
> >database on the system from 1985-1994.
> >
> >We need to get the data off the 3000 and into an existing oracle
> >database running on VMS on DEC Alpha.
> >
> >The machine is not on our network. I do not believe Kermit is
> installed
> >on the machine which would allow us to transfer files to a PC.
> >
> >Questions arise:
> >
> >How can we get any data off of this machine? Does anyone still
> support
> >the 9144s? Are there other tape drives which we can attach to this
> >machine? Can we attach any other media devices to the machine? Does
> >anyone have a 9144 tape with Kermit on it? Does anyone know if/where
> we
> >can still buy the media (which if I am correct is in a format
> specific
> >to the 9144/9145)?
> >
> >Are we better to create flat-files on the machine? Because of disk
> space
> >limitations we would need to to this in many steps. Or should we just
> >back up the image database? I understand that the 9xx series are
> still
> >supported and will handle our image database. Would this migration be
> >very complicated?
> >
> >Thank you to anyone with ideas and to anyone who responded to
> previous
> >posts.
> >
> Problem is, make a 9144 backup with Image databases on it, and where
> do
> you *go* with it?
>
> I'd be very inclined to make flat files on the 37, and there's a way
> you
> can avoid the space problems.
>
> Forget Kermit, and get yourself a copy of Reflection for the HP3000.
> Put
> it on a PC, and hook that into your 37 in place of a terminal.
>
> If you have any reports that play out the data you want from the 37,
> run
> them to display on the 'terminal', and let Reflection log them to a PC
> file. Doesn't use much HP3000 disc, and I expect the PC will have
> about
> 10x more storage space than the 37...
>
> If you don't have pre-prepared reports, use Query (comes 'free' with
> Image), or any more capable HP3000 reporting tool you may have, to
> play
> out the data you need. At the record-as-a-chunk level if push comes to
> shove, though formatting for what you need is preferable.
>
> Once you have the data on the PC, you can pummel it further into
> whatever shape Oracle needs, and pass it across. Possibly even with
> Reflection for DEC.....
> --
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