http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/africa/3997885.stm
Among others.
Denys
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I did not see those reports. I have no knowledge of such reports.
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> -----Message d'origine-----
> De : HP-3000 Systems Discussion [mailto:[log in to unmask]] De la part
> de Denys Beauchemin
> Envoyé : jeudi 18 novembre 2004 16:52
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> Objet : Re: [HP3000-L] OT: Veterans Day or Armistice Day
>
> Christian, I was talking about the reports of French troops shooting
> unarmed
> civilians in Cote d'Ivoire.
>
> Denys
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: HP-3000 Systems Discussion [mailto:[log in to unmask]] On Behalf
> Of Christian Lheureux
> Sent: Thursday, November 18, 2004 9:52 AM
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> Subject: Re: [HP3000-L] OT: Veterans Day or Armistice Day
>
> Denys wrote :
>
> [Lots of stuff snipped, for brevity's sake]
>
> > We suppose he was only doing his job, too. But that doesn't mean the
> rest
> > of
> > us have to indulge in the moral abdication that would equate deliberate
> > televised beheadings of civilians with a Marine shooting a terrorist,
> who
> > may or may not have been armed, amid the ferocity of battle.
>
> Agreed, of course. That's why I carefully underscored, in a previous mail,
> that the Marine will be judged in due time and will either be cleared of
> any
> charges or appropriately sentenced. Seems I was read kind of out of
> context.
>
> > I would also urge you to read the book "Black Hawk Down" by Mark Bowden.
>
> I've read it, and that book is precisely one of the reasons I certainly
> would not, I repeat not, equate the fate of a Marine with the fate of a
> whole US Administration policy.
>
> Along the same line, Ray very correctly (IMHO) wrote the following :
> "Everyone begins to condemn soldiers for acts of war instead of condemning
> wars."
>
> I would not condemn the soldier. I certainly condemn the war.
>
> > Finally, Christian, I find it amazing that you condemn this incident
> while
> > remaining silent on your country's military conduct in Cote d'Ivoire.
>
> Denys, I'm taken slightly off-base about how to follow your thinking on
> this
> thread. I'm not completely certain I fully understand what you have in
> mind.
>
> First and foremost, where the hell did you pick up I was condemning the
> Fallujah incident ? Didn't you read my diatribe about the difference
> between
> fact and perception ?
>
> The root of the thread is about an incident that occurred in Iraq. I'm
> also
> available for comment about the current situation in Ivory Coast, but that
> would probably have to be a separate OT: thread. I fail to see any common
> point between the two situations.
>
> Then again, the French presence in Ivory Coast is totally, and
> unequivocally, mandated by the United Nations. The French Armed Forces are
> operating under a UN mandate, to separate the rebel-held north and the
> government-controlled south parts of the country.
>
> What's more, it's now well-known and well-documented that the French Armed
> Forces in Ivory Coast have been attacked by the Ivorian Air Force. The
> corresponding TV footage showing the two Ivorian Sukhoi (sp ?) fighters
> looking for an attack angle, and then deliberately bombing the French base
> in Bouaké has made its way to the prime-time TV news here in France, and I
> see no reason why it would not have been made available in the US as well.
>
> Bottom line : The French Armed Forces were only responding to a previous
> attack, and operating under a UN mandate. This is probably the reason why
> a
> few days later the UN Security Council unanimously voted to support the
> French Armed Forces and sanction the government of Ivory Coast.
>
> Christian Lheureux
>
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