Perhaps I'm confused, but I thought he was talking about an add-on SUBSYS tape (which should simply be a CM :STORE format tape) containing additional MPE subsystems and how to install it.

G.

-----Original Message-----
From: HP-3000 Systems Discussion <[log in to unmask]> On Behalf Of Stan Sieler
Sent: Monday, March 15, 2021 5:33 PM
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Subject: Re: [HP3000-L] [EXT]: MPE-V/E question

I just created a minimal SYSDUMP tape (via SIMH!) and the second file on the tape is a copy of SL.PUB.SYS.

The first file is probably config info, and possibly firmware for some models.

There are no other files (on this minimal (no files)) tape.

SS


On Sun, Mar 14, 2021 at 8:39 PM Gavin Scott < [log in to unmask]> wrote:

> Oh yeah, I think I wrote the code that builds the T#####.PROD.SOFTREP 
> file and creates the tape lol. We did this as a contract job for  the 
> Software Distribution Center at HP while I was at Allegro.
>
> For doing a SUBSYS install I think that's covered in the appropriate 
> SOFTWARE UPDATE MANUAL for that release. I forget when AUTOINST showed 
> up but it should be the thing you use to install OS/FOS/SUBSYS or 
> simply add-on SUBSYS products. Here's one for T-Delta-3 from a quick 
> search and it might be close enough to muddle through with as a hint 
> book, but there should also be an ADD-ON products installation manual 
> for just installing a SUBSYS tape.
>
>
> http://www.bitsavers.org/pdf/hp/3000/mpeV/32033-90036_R2542_MPE_VE_T-D
> elta-3_Software_Update_Manual_Nov85.pdf
>
> I think the magic might be :RUN AUTOINST;INFO="ADD-ON" (as MANAGER.SYS 
> of course).
>
> There's no SL on the tape. The SUBSYS products that require SL segment 
> changes include the appropriate USL files on the tape and the system 
> SL will be updated during the process of building the customized cold 
> load tape. Basically AUTOINST Will make you a tape and you cold load 
> (and :RESTORE I think) from that tape once it is made.
>
> It's been a while so I may be confused on any/every aspect of this.
>
> G.
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: HP-3000 Systems Discussion <[log in to unmask]> On Behalf Of 
> Keven Miller (3kG)
> Sent: Sunday, March 14, 2021 10:10 PM
> To: [log in to unmask]
> Subject: Re: [HP3000-L] [EXT]: MPE-V/E question
>
> With MPE-V, I believe there should be a VALIDATE program.
> Maybe in TELESUP.
> It will read an MPE-V tape, and show the files on it.
>
> As I recall, the first file on a SUBSYS tape would either be the 
> PRODLIST.PUB.SYS or a T######.PUB.SYS. (or is that just MPEiX?)
>
> This file should lst the SUBSYSTEMS on the tape.
>
>
> aha!!!!
> Included is my old VALIDATE listing of MPE-40 Subsystem tape.
> The first file T93525.PROD.SOFTREP  would be a listng of the subsystems.
>
> (well, I can't validate that at the moment, my 7980XC drive is not
> connected)
>
> But his is the format from VALIDATE.
> Restore that T##### file to see what subs are included.
>
>
> The file should be something like the following, except this is whats 
> on an MPE 6.0 Subsys tape (MPEiX).
>
> DEVELOPERS SUBSYSTEM
>
> B3524A   - IMAGE/SQL LOW END
> HP30368  - ALLBASE SQL ASM
> HP30138  - TRANSACT/IX
> HP30318  - RPG/IX
> B5151AA  - TURBOSTORE II
> HP31500  - COBOLII/IX
> HP31501  - FORTRAN 77/IX
> HP31502  - HP PASCAL
> HP31506  - HP C/IX
> HP31508  - SYMBOLIC DEBUG XL
> HP32256  - SYSTEM DICT/XL
> HP32715  - BUSINESS BASIC
> HP36374  - AIF/OS
> HP36920  - NS3000/XL NET SRV
> B1776A   - SPTC
> B1777A   - SPTA
> B1787B   - HP GLANCEPLUS/IX
> HP32100  - SPL
> HP36383  - HP SEARCH/IX
> HP36384  - HP BROWSE/IX
>
>
> Keven Miller
>
>
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Stan Sieler" <[log in to unmask]>
> To: <[log in to unmask]>
> Sent: Sun 14 Mar 2021 06:41 PM
> Subject: Re: [HP3000-L] [EXT]: MPE-V/E question
>
>
> > Mike asks:
> >
> >>     Is there a way to get a listing of the subsystems on a SUBSYS tape?
> >>
> >>     How would you install individual subsystems? I've only ever
> installed
> >> an
> >> entire SUBSYS tape before.
> >>
> >>     Thanks. I'll be loading some software on a 3000 series 39 with 
> >> a 7914, running MPE-V G.3P.00 (later to be upgraded to G.40.00 with 
> >> patches).
> >>
> >
> > A 3000/39?  wow!   In case you're probably not aware of cctalk, several
> > people on
> > that mailing list are interested in Classic HP3000s (Frank, Chuck, 
> > and others).
> >
> > You ask a good question.
> >
> > I can't recall what's listed in HPSWINFO.PUB.SYS, nor if it's a file 
> > tailored to each system.
> > There should/might be a file, PRODLIST.PUB.SYS, which should list 
> > purchased products (e.g., COBOL).
> >
> > I think that you have no choice but to install the SL.PUB.SYS that's 
> > on the tape in its entirety (i.e., I don't recall any mechanism to 
> > rebuild SL.PUB.SYS during an install, other than copying it entirely 
> > from the tape.)
> >
> > If you want an absolute minimum installation, you could install but 
> > not RESTORE the files ...
> > that gets you the files "listed" in the first section of the tape 
> > (the files before the "STORE/RESTORE" section).
> >
> > Stan
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