Wirt of course couches his words carefully, the exclusive
use of "SAM missiles" disqualifies the two UAVs downed with
gunfire and AAM missiles.

Then of course, "we" had more loss over the no-fly zone 
due to friendly fire.

The otherwise lack of losses on "our" side was highly
touted by the militaries of all No-Fly Zone participants.

But wasn't that supposed to be a good thing?

Tracy Johnson
MSI Schaevitz Sensors 

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> 
> 
> Denys writes:
> 
> > That is of course correct.  I was waiting for someone to post that.
> >  Yes, Hitler declared war on the US, but never attacked.
> >
> >  On the other hand, Saddam Hussein was under s cease-fire 
> agreement and
> >  kept firing SAMs at US and British planes patrolling the 
> no-fly zones,
> >  (Operations Northern and Southern Watch(es),) in complete 
> defiance of
> >  the cease-fire agreement.
> >
> >  Also, when you fire Surface to Air Missiles (SAM) at 
> another country's
> >  plane, that IS an overt act of war and aggression.
> 
> Inelegant sophistry is a terrible thing to waste, eh?
> 
> Iraq never hit a single aircraft with its SAM missiles during 
> all of the
> patrols of the no-fly zones over Iraq. We, on the other hand, 
> bombed Iraqi
> positions almost daily.
> 
> As for Germany, they attacked and sank the USS Reuben James 
> on October 31,
> 1941, on the high seas, eight weeks before the formal 
> declaration of war. But
> that wasn't an act of overt agression and war?
> 
> The sinking of the Reuben James caused surprisingly little 
> stir in the US
> however. They were escorting a convoy bound to England, which 
> was at formal war
> with Germany at the time, and people knew the risk. Even more 
> importantly, the
> great majority of the people in the US did not want to become 
> entangled again
> in yet another European war.
> 
> Wirt Atmar
> 
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